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[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Would you be if someone called you a cookie cutter Christian?

No, I would do what he may and deny it and show I’m the opposite with my post. Or he may not, and just ignore it entirely. It’s up to him.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

BTW, Bro. N-David I’m sorry for assuming the Sis. and Bro. from Florida prayed and fasted, and had others pray and fast for her issue with depression and anxiety, and feeling depleted. I shouldn’t assumed that they did that.

You don't get it, do you?

You fabricated the testimony and claimed that DW and MW said something which they did not say.

What's awful about this is you posted that lie to smear them -- to point out how awful it was for them to claim prayer and fasting didn't work.

And now you post this garbage in an attempt to smear them yet again.

Tell me something, what's the percentage of people you have prayed for healing who have been healed? Have you ever prayed for God to heal and it doesn't happen?

And be honest about it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You act like a cookie cutter Christian.

What is a "cookie-cutter Christian?"

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Why look for something you don’t believe in?

Look, you can lie and smear DW and MW behind their backs, but you're not going to lie about me.

I've already posted what I believe. Link below
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=363

I do not believe a spirit of infirmity was unleashed because of DW's testimony.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

you wouldn’t recognize a spirit if it hit you in the face

Based on at least 3 posts (Gentry Mangun, AM/TBN, Forum) you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face. I'm not going to mention that discernment you claim to possess.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Are you that desperate, your not going to be able to see it. You don’t believe it! if it didn’t include the song go buy it (R. Kelly wrote it). Your right, of course there not going to pray, fast, or have others pray and fast because they don’t believe it’s a spirit. It’s normal to have depression, just take some meds go to bed and you’ll wake up fine, oops sorry see a counselor first.
Cookie cutter Christians you’ll believe what others tell you, and you’ll go as far as they go.

More assumptions and smears.

Are you 100% in the number of people you prayed for healing and they've been healed? Or have there been times when you've prayed for someone and the healing or deliverance hasn't happened?

This is as bad as the prosperity doctrine preachers who claim that everything is sunshine and happy happy joy joy. In the words of one such PD preacher I heard, "God will make you rich if you're faithful."

That doctrine creates weak and fragile Christians who question their faith and relationship with God when things become difficult.

The sister said it was a season, and she said that she's not taking the prescription anymore -- so while God may not have healed or delivered her immediately, He did bring her through that season. Who are you to mock or smear her over that?

I've had that kind of season in my life. I've fought depression and, like David, cried until my pillow was soaked with tears. I've head many times when I've been sick or had an infirmity that wasn't healed right away.

I prayed. I had elders pray. But instead of immediate deliverance or healing, God chose to give me the strength to get through that season.

It's been difficult to accept that sometimes, as with Paul, deliverance doesn't come. Sometimes God proves that in our weakness, He is made strong.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by n david

You don't get it, do you?

You fabricated the testimony and claimed that DW and MW said something which they did not say.

What's awful about this is you posted that lie to smear them -- to point out how awful it was for them to claim prayer and fasting didn't work.

And now you post this garbage in an attempt to smear them yet again.

Tell me something, what's the percentage of people you have prayed for healing who have been healed? Have you ever prayed for God to heal and it doesn't happen?

And be honest about it.

I never claim prayer and fasting does not work. I didnt post a lie to smear them, get over it. I posted that to show where the ranks are at. Years ago they knew where depression came from, Today, not so sure. I posted to show what was already presented to the 3000+ that was present. I posted to show that a preachers wife said Ive done what i knew to do, and she went to a counselor, Brother, Why? Why would a preachers wife need to go to a counselor, there was a time in Pentecost that we preached against them! I didnt post my grievance because I’m some mighty man, No sir, I did it to make it aware of whats going on, like it or not. Close your eyes or put your head in the sand its there. And instead of condemning the remarks of going to some counselor and taking meds for her depression and/or anxiety problems. I know about taking meds, trust me, trust me I understand about health problems, and I have scars to prove it (physically). We can love the sis and I do, I feel bad. But what she did was wrong. We use to call counselors witch doctors, now I guess we accept it.

[diakonos]

Sad thread

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by n david

What is a "cookie-cutter Christian?"



Look, you can lie and smear DW and MW behind their backs, but you're not going to lie about me.

I've already posted what I believe. Link below
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=363

I do not believe a spirit of infirmity was unleashed because of DW's testimony.


Based on at least 3 posts (Gentry Mangun, AM/TBN, Forum) you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face. I'm not going to mention that discernment you claim to possess.


More assumptions and smears.

Are you 100% in the number of people you prayed for healing and they've been healed? Or have there been times when you've prayed for someone and the healing or deliverance hasn't happened?

This is as bad as the prosperity doctrine preachers who claim that everything is sunshine and happy happy joy joy. In the words of one such PD preacher I heard, "God will make you rich if you're faithful."

That doctrine creates weak and fragile Christians who question their faith and relationship with God when things become difficult.

The sister said it was a season, and she said that she's not taking the prescription anymore -- so while God may not have healed or delivered her immediately, He did bring her through that season. Who are you to mock or smear her over that?

I've had that kind of season in my life. I've fought depression and, like David, cried until my pillow was soaked with tears. I've head many times when I've been sick or had an infirmity that wasn't healed right away.

I prayed. I had elders pray. But instead of immediate deliverance or healing, God chose to give me the strength to get through that season.

It's been difficult to accept that sometimes, as with Paul, deliverance doesn't come. Sometimes God proves that in our weakness, He is made strong.

Do 100% of people I pray for are they healed, no. Healing is dependent on the faith of the one thats needs it. I believe deliverance is different than healing. Maybe I’m wrong about that, I’m open for a conversation. The Bible calls depression a spirit, this is through my experience if I’m wrong forgive me. I believe depression is produced from a spirit, or from a trauma in someone’s life that a spirit can use. I dont believe its taken care of through medication. The pills will cover the symptoms but the problem is still there and will show up in other areas.
We are not going to agree on probably much of anything in the spiritual aspect, that’s fine we need both sides of the coin. I dont think less of you, the spirit realm I’m very passionate about it. And when I see a sister talk about depression and anxiety, and to hear what she went to for her answer, I’m totally against it, and I’m passionate about what God gave to me. For that forgive me. I dont want to see this sis hurt, yet i dont want others following her example. I believe thats fair to say.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Sad thread

My fault. I’m not writing in this thread anymore.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Sad thread

Yes it is!!!

I started the thread to see if anyone from here was going to the conference, and it turned into an ugly mess!!!

Very distressing...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Do 100% of people I pray for are they healed, no. Healing is dependent on the faith of the one thats needs it.

That's a cop out, an excuse. We'll likely disagree, but I believe the Bible places the requirement of faith on those praying, not on the one who is sick. "The prayer of faith shall save the sick."

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I believe deliverance is different than healing. Maybe I’m wrong about that, I’m open for a conversation. The Bible calls depression a spirit, this is through my experience if I’m wrong forgive me. I believe depression is produced from a spirit, or from a trauma in someone’s life that a spirit can use. I dont believe its taken care of through medication. The pills will cover the symptoms but the problem is still there and will show up in other areas.

Where does the Bible call depression a spirit?

Personally, I wouldn't recommend or take any psychotropic drugs as I believe they do more harm than good. There are medications which aren't psychotropic and some natural remedies which people use as well.

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

We are not going to agree on probably much of anything in the spiritual aspect, that’s fine we need both sides of the coin. I dont think less of you, the spirit realm I’m very passionate about it. And when I see a sister talk about depression and anxiety, and to hear what she went to for her answer, I’m totally against it, and I’m passionate about what God gave to me. For that forgive me. I dont want to see this sis hurt, yet i dont want others following her example. I believe thats fair to say.

We won't agree regarding this dear sister. Too many assumptions are being made, mostly because she was not clear on what she did or the help she sought. We don't know what kind of counseling she received. You assume therapy and some secular psychology, but there are Apostolic counselors who offer Biblical counsel in this area.

While I wish she would have been more detailed about the help people should seek, I'm not going to just assume the worst and smear her for it.

Anyone experiencing depression and anxiety, very real issues, should pray and should also seek Godly counsel.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I never claim prayer and fasting does not work. I didnt post a lie to smear them, get over it. I posted that to show where the ranks are at. Years ago they knew where depression came from, Today, not so sure. I posted to show what was already presented to the 3000+ that was present. I posted to show that a preachers wife said Ive done what i knew to do, and she went to a counselor, Brother, Why? Why would a preachers wife need to go to a counselor, there was a time in Pentecost that we preached against them! I didnt post my grievance because I’m some mighty man, No sir, I did it to make it aware of whats going on, like it or not. Close your eyes or put your head in the sand its there. And instead of condemning the remarks of going to some counselor and taking meds for her depression and/or anxiety problems. I know about taking meds, trust me, trust me I understand about health problems, and I have scars to prove it (physically). We can love the sis and I do, I feel bad. But what she did was wrong. We use to call counselors witch doctors, now I guess we accept it.

Wow...
I could just as easily say that some among us used to call medical doctors "witch doctors" and if you went to them you were going to hell.
Some among us used to also preach that if you lived a sinless life you would never die.