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Originally Posted by jfrog
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Oh, the quotes from the "experts" like this?
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For example, she said some people who have died after having a heart attack but also exhibited Covid-19 symptoms might be missed in the official tally.
“Are there potentially cases where someone registered a death as a heart attack because the person hadn’t yet developed symptoms of Covid-19 and truly should have been categorized as a Covid probable?” she said. “I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to answer that question fully, but I think it’s something that still needs to be looked into further.”
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People dying of heart attacks
shouldn't be labeled as a C19 death. That's a
good thing. Of course, that's assuming they're not already reporting them as such.
And what about this?
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In New York City, the death toll increased by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday after officials revised counts to include people who were presumed to have had the virus even though the patients never tested positive.
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Funny, that's exactly what I was saying all along. I'm glad you posted a link that supports my assertion. Good job.
Let's look at this:
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Mocco said it’s possible that people are suffering strokes and staying at home out of fear of catching Covid-19 in the hospital, but they might already have the disease and it could even be a cause of the stroke.
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It's possible? Maybe? Could be? Sounds like a lot of guessing and shoulder shrugging. That's not enough to convince me they're "under reporting" the numbers.
Then there's that last link you posted:
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“Every person with a lab confirmed COVID-19 diagnoses is counted in the number of fatalities,” Department of Health spokesman Michael Lanza told Gothamist.
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Not once in that article did they say that those deaths
were not being reported as C19 related, they only said that confirmed cases were being reported. The headline makes it sound like they're not reporting them as such:
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New Yorkers dying at home not counted in COVID-19 death statistics
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But absolutely nothing in the article backs up that claim. The very first paragraph states:
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New Yorkers who die at home are not being tested for COVID-19, even if they had flu- or coronavirus-like symptoms at the time of death, which is likely leading to a massive underreporting of COVID-19 fatalities.
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They're not being tested. Okay, we knew that. However, they immediately made the leap in logic that they weren't being
reported as C19 deaths. Is that confirmed? Doesn't appear so, based on their use of the word 'likely'. I again point you to the quote from one of your own links:
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In New York City, the death toll increased by more than 3,700 victims on Tuesday after officials revised counts to include people who were presumed to have had the virus even though the patients never tested positive.
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Got any actual facts to back up your claim, or just a bunch of guesses and shrugged shoulders from "experts", who may or may not actually know what they're talking about. Not only can I link to facts like the CDC's own website, which shows their guidelines open the door for massive over reporting, but your own links actually bolster my case, while failing to support yours.
Unless you can show me some actual evidence that there's under reporting of deaths, you may as well give up trying, because you haven't shown me anything to change my opinion.
Now, is it possible that the numbers aren't inflated? Sure, it's possible. However, you'd be hard pressed to convince me otherwise, given how drunk on power some of these mayors/governors have been. They have a direct stake in keeping people in fear, because it gives them more power and control over We The People.
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