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Old 05-16-2020, 11:54 AM
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Exactly. We will never be perfect until we are given our glorified bodies, but we need to strive for perfection while here on earth.
Then the ministry has certainly failed their job.

Col. 1:28

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
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Old 05-16-2020, 11:57 AM
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The way I always see it happen is, they preach a message about holiness or hit on it for a minute. Then they say "Im not talking about being perfect". "Anyone here think their perfect"? So what was gained?

As far as fellowship goes I have never been part of a mainstream Apostolic Church that encourages it.
Romans 6 seems pretty clear on continuing in sin.

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

And perhaps most importantly,

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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Speaking from just my own experience I can say:

There are no more set aside times for testimonies. There is no what used to be called "shouting". They do not teach "be perfect".
Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?
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Then the ministry has certainly failed their job.

Col. 1:28

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Perfection - like holiness - is a process, not an immediate result. Just as we walk in holiness, in order to be holy, we must strive for perfection, in order to be perfect. Let's go back a few verses from the one you posted, to Col. 1:22-23

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22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
First he says that the body of Christ, through death, was to present us holy, unblameable and unreprovable (in other words: perfect). Then he goes on to qualify that with "If ye continue in the faith". So long as we live in these earthly bodies, we will need to crucify the flesh and "continue in the faith". Once our bodies have been glorified, there will be no need to strive for perfection, as we will be made perfect at that time.
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Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?
Still happens at my local church. Now the convulsing on the floor stops pretty quick as soon as we cast out the devils ( after they puke all over the carpet ) but yah still happens.
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Still happens at my local church. Now the convulsing on the floor stops pretty quick as soon as we cast out the devils ( after they puke all over the carpet ) but yah still happens.
Walking on the pews?
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Still happens at my local church. Now the convulsing on the floor stops pretty quick as soon as we cast out the devils ( after they puke all over the carpet ) but yah still happens.
Just to be clear,

Still running around the church
Still walking on pews
Ceased devilless floor convulsing
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What about holiness or hell messages? Still a thing?
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Is there still running around the church, walking on pews, and convulsing onto the floor?
No. Not where Ive been.
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What about holiness or hell messages? Still a thing?
Not near enough.
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