Chris Reed

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You see that "gifts" is italicized in the KJV, that is, supplied by the translators, which means it's not in the Greek text. Regarding "spiritual", it is the Greek word πνευματικῶν or pneumatikon, from πνευματικός or pneumatikos.

This is key. The word is not χαρισμάτων or charismaton. That word doesn't appear until verse 4. So, in verse 1, Paul is not yet talking about the gifts/special endowments of the grace of the Spirit. He is talking about something else that is spiritual, but not the gifts. What then, is that something?

That something is particular brethren.

Take "gifts" out of verse 1

But the same instance is found in 14:1 and 14: 12 and the word GIFTS is in italics, not in the Greek, and it would not make sense to not be speaking about the gifts, because of context in chapter 13, and the rest of 14.

1 Cor 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1 Cor 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

1 Cor 14: 12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.



I think that was the basis for the translators doing the same in 12:1.

Read them without GIFTS in italics.

1 Cor 12:1 Now concerning spiritual brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1 Cor 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual , but rather that ye may prophesy.

1 Cor 14: 12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual , seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

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Votivesoul, just wondering. Do you believe all 120 spoke in tongues in Acts 2, or just the twelve?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What do the Scriptures say on the subject?

It is my opinion that a true prophet would understand the foundation doctrine given by the apostles. That they would bear witness of or point one to that truth. as well as having a major and consistent public prophetic gift.

Ephesians 4:11-15

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

This is what I would expect from a prophet. While I do believe anyone with the Holy Ghost could have a gift of prophecy I dont think it means they stand in the office of a prophet.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is what I would expect from a prophet. While I do believe anyone with the Holy Ghost could have a gift of prophecy I dont think it means they stand in the office of a prophet.

Amen.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is my opinion that a true prophet would understand the foundation doctrine given by the apostles. That they would bear witness of or point one to that truth. as well as having a major and consistent public prophetic gift.

Ephesians 4:11-15



This is what I would expect from a prophet. While I do believe anyone with the Holy Ghost could have a gift of prophecy I dont think it means they stand in the office of a prophet.

He means post trib and beards

[TJJJ]

Let's see, isn't CR the one who went to Liberal and told the preterist pastor there that he believed preterism to try to get the church....? And then booked out?

Oh year, but he is a prophet that can tell your brother's name.

Dats right.

But, anybody that can be fooled by dualism, William Branham, and Sis Charlotes escort can be fooled by anything.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Let's see, isn't CR the one who went to Liberal and told the preterist pastor there that he believed preterism to try to get the church....? And then booked out?

Oh year, but he is a prophet that can tell your brother's name.

Dats right.

But, anybody that can be fooled by dualism, William Branham, and Sis Charlotes escort can be fooled by anything.

Went to liberal?

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Went to liberal?

Yep

[TJJJ]

Let's just say that I am underwhelmed with the "Prophetic" utterance that I heard, and even moreso with those who have been suckered in by it.

But, what can you expect?

[Michael The Disciple]

Let's see, isn't CR the one who went to Liberal and told the preterist pastor there that he believed preterism to try to get the church....? And then booked out?

Explain.