Tattoos

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Ok. Yes it does say that. For...the...dead or are the marks not referring to ones for the dead?


From the what I found it was speaking of cutting and tattoos used for specific funeral rituals where they would mark themselves to gain favor from the deity in question for the departed.


Also, does stretchmarks from overeating count against me in the "marks" category or is it just the gluttony I need to worry about and what about those sweaty sock tracks you get on your legs when your socks are too tight?


Fooey Ill just go back to flip-flops. 😆


But seriously...is the text differentiating between non for the dead tats and "normal"?

There are two separate clauses: no cuttings for the dead (that's one clause) NOR (a negative conjunction joining two clauses) print any marks upon you (a second clause). Two clauses, two things. It does not read "no cuttings nor printing any marks for the dead", but "no cuttings for the dead nor printing any marks upon you."

Young's Literal Translation: ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.

Brenton's English Translation of the LXX: 28And ye shall not make cuttings in your body for a dead body, and ye shall not inscribe on yourselves any marks. I am the Lord your God.

Orthodox Jewish Bible: 28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your basar for the dead, nor tattoo any marks upon you: I am Hashem.

Ellicot's Commentary: Nor print any marks upon you.—This, according to the ancient authorities, was effected by making punctures in the skin to impress certain figures or words, and then filling the cut places with stibium, ink, or some other colour. The practice of tattooing prevailed among all nations of antiquity, both among savages and civilised nations, The slave had impressed upon his body the initials of his master, the soldier those of his general, and the worshipper the image of his tutelar deity. To obviate this disfiguration of the body which bore the impress of God’s image, and yet to exhibit the emblem of his creed, the Mosaic Law enacted that the Hebrew should have phylacteries which he is to bind as “a sign” upon his hand, and as “a memorial” between his eyes “that the Lord’s law may be in his mouth” (Exodus 13:9; Exodus 13:16; Deuteronomy 6:8; Deuteronomy 11:18).

Leviticus 19:26 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Verse 26 likewise contains two clauses, but nobody is going to argue that it's okay to use enchantments and observe times as long as it doesn't involve eating blood.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Jesus turned water into alcoholic wine so everyone could get drunk. Nothing wrong with cannabis as long as you’re sanctified enough to handle the effects. And now there is no scriptural basis against tattoos. This forum sure is producing a strange breed of “Apostolic”.

Sin is transgression of the law. The law does not prohibit alcohol in all cases. In fact, God commands the use of wine in certain cases, and authorises the use of both wine and even strong drink in certain cases. This cannot be denied without denying the plain declarations of God Himself in the Bible.

Yet the Bible also denounces drunkenness, revellings, and excess due to intoxication, as things that will forfeit access to eternal life.

God is neither a prohibitionist, nor a libertine.

Cannabis may fall under the same general principles (as it is not directly addressed in Scripture) but likely may fall under prohibitions against witchcraft due to the nature of THC's peculiar effects. One thing we have to keep in mind is that while all things may be lawful they may not be expedient (smart) and we aren't supposed to be living by the rule of "What is the least I can get by with?" but rather "Father, what do YOU want me to do?"

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There are two separate clauses: no cuttings for the dead (that's one clause) NOR (a negative conjunction joining two clauses) print any marks upon you (a second clause). Two clauses, two things. It does not read "no cuttings nor printing any marks for the dead", but "no cuttings for the dead nor printing any marks upon you."

Young's Literal Translation: ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.

Brenton's English Translation of the LXX: 28And ye shall not make cuttings in your body for a dead body, and ye shall not inscribe on yourselves any marks. I am the Lord your God.

Orthodox Jewish Bible: 28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your basar for the dead, nor tattoo any marks upon you: I am Hashem.

Ellicot's Commentary: Nor print any marks upon you.—This, according to the ancient authorities, was effected by making punctures in the skin to impress certain figures or words, and then filling the cut places with stibium, ink, or some other colour. The practice of tattooing prevailed among all nations of antiquity, both among savages and civilised nations, The slave had impressed upon his body the initials of his master, the soldier those of his general, and the worshipper the image of his tutelar deity. To obviate this disfiguration of the body which bore the impress of God’s image, and yet to exhibit the emblem of his creed, the Mosaic Law enacted that the Hebrew should have phylacteries which he is to bind as “a sign” upon his hand, and as “a memorial” between his eyes “that the Lord’s law may be in his mouth” (Exodus 13:9; Exodus 13:16; Deuteronomy 6:8; Deuteronomy 11:18).

Leviticus 19:26 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Verse 26 likewise contains two clauses, but nobody is going to argue that it's okay to use enchantments and observe times as long as it doesn't involve eating blood.

Awesome

[diakonos]

Well, no NT prohibition

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Well, no NT prohibition

No NT prohibition against bestiality, either.

But the NT says this:

1 John 3:4 KJV
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And this:

Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And this:

Romans 2:12-16 KJV
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) [16] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

And this:

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Well, no NT prohibition

Let's see the use of the Old Testament in the New Testament to teach conduct:

* It can teach us righteousness, holiness, in general the present will of God for us: 2Ti 3:16
* The apostles used its examples: 1 Cor 10:6-11
* The apostles used the commandments directly: Eph 6:1-3
* The apostles used the principle behind a commandment, which was not directly applicable: 1 Cor 9:9-11; Deut 7:3-4 and 2 Cor 6:14-15
* Jesus used the beginning of creation to teach the perfect will of God: Mat 19:3-8
* The apostle Paul referred also to the beginning of creation to teach right from wrong: Rom 1:26-27.

Why is this? Because all the Scripture is inspired by God, therefore we should seek to understand God's will and person in it.

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[consapente89]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Well, no NT prohibition

To be honest, if you're really wanting a tattoo, a direct NT prohibition wouldn't make that much of a difference. If you're really wanting to please God and be identified with a holy church, a direct NT prohibition isn't needed. Do what you will.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by n david

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#beapostolic

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by consapente89

To be honest, if you're really wanting a tattoo, a direct NT prohibition wouldn't make that much of a difference. If you're really wanting to please God and be identified with a holy church, a direct NT prohibition isn't needed. Do what you will.

I already kinda explained the purpose for posting the thread.

Take your attitude,..