The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

do you at least understand what I mean when I understand why you left? I was not taking an underhanded shot at you.

Ferd it takes a lot more than words for anything to affect me nowadays ... It's cool bro.

[SDG]

C'mon Coon you can join us ... there's enough love up in here ....


When We All Get To Heaven
(written by Eliza E. Hewitt)


Verse 1:
Sing the wondrous love of Jesus,
sing His mercy and His grace;
in the mansions bright and blessed
He'll prepare for us a place.

Chorus:
When we all get to heaven,
what a day of rejoicing that will be!
When we all see Jesus,
we'll sing and shout the victory!

Verse 2:
While we walk the pilgrim pathway,
clouds will overspread the sky;
but when traveling days are over,
not a shadow, not a sigh.

Chorus

Verse 3:
Let us then be true and faithful,
trusting, serving every day;
just one glimpse of Him in glory
will the toils of life repay.

Chorus

Verse 4:
Onward to the prize before us!
Soon His beauty we'll behold;
soon the pearly gates will open
we shall tread the streets of gold.

Chorus

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Quite honestly, I don't know what you want me to say.

You are an older man than I am and have been in the ministry longer.

I am a young guy.

It does trouble me to see anybody who has believed and preached this message start questioning it, because of the many I have seen not be able to stop the pendulum from swinging once it starts.

I will advise this one thing--

If you do, God forbid, change your beliefs, please don't jackhammer the foundation out from under the folks you have preached to for years.

If your conscience won't let you continue preaching the Acts 2:38 message at some point down the road, please go somewhere and start over, or find a church that has never believed it.

I have seen too many confused and wounded people who never recover from these brutal transitions with preachers who have epiphanies in the middle of the race.

I have family, immediate family that will likely never get it together because of this phenomenon.

Elder,
I wish for you to always speak your heart.
Gotta go for now, a school bus full of little chilluns is waiting. If the thread has not progressed too far, may post more on this later.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Your are incorrect they do NOT hold the same message I do not know of one PCI preacher of yesteryear that would reduce baptism to a sacrament or place NO emphasis on the HGB. Folks obeyed Acts 2;28 in those services becuase it was preached from the pulpit. You can be a member or an official at Christ Church without obeying Acts 2:38. Honestly you could attend for years and never learn they were a Oneness church from what is preached in the pulpit. The end result is NOT the same. Now in a PCI minded church and a PAJC minded church the result would be the same but not here or many such like churches.

OK, are you saying that they do not teach water/spirit in their training classes? I read the earlier post by CC1, but I thought he was speaking concerning the public services. In most large churches the doctrines and core beliefs are taught in small groups, so causal attenders could easily not be aware of these teachings. The function of a very large church is very different from a small church. There is no way one man could lead a church of 1500+ in the same manner as he might lead a church of 100-300.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by crakjak

OK, are you saying that they do not teach water/spirit in their training classes? I read the earlier post by CC1, but I thought he was speaking concerning the public services. In most large churches the doctrines and core beliefs are taught in small groups, so causal attenders could easily not be aware of these teachings. The function of a very large church is very different from a small church. There is no way one man could lead a church of 1500+ in the same manner as he might lead a church of 100-300.

This is true. My understanding of the purpose of the church is to get people to Jesus Christ and surrendered to Him. I personally don't care if that happens in service on Sunday morning, at a cell group in someone's home, in a new member class, or some other class. Different people receive things differently in different venues. My desire to get them to the cross whatever it takes. If I have to look like an idiot to do it, then so be it. (no comments please )

If we're not careful and we'll be saying that it's Ac. 2:38 AND people must get it on Sunday in the service at the front etc, etc, etc.

Core beliefs are core beliefs. EVERYONE who becomes a member at NLC hears the the Ac. 2:38 message without exception, because I am the one who teaches it. They also hear that it is more important to give their life to Jesus Christ than it is to follow our doctrine. I'll work with ANYONE who has give their heart, soul, mind and strength to Him. They'll get there. But you can keep every single RELIGIOUS doctrine touter who "knows" they have truth because you can smell it in their arrogance. If I could get them to Jesus Christ, they could have hope as well.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

This is true. My understanding of the purpose of the church is to get people to Jesus Christ and surrendered to Him. I personally don't care if that happens in service on Sunday morning, at a cell group in someone's home, in a new member class, or some other class. Different people receive things differently in different venues. My desire to get them to the cross whatever it takes. If I have to look like an idiot to do it, then so be it. (no comments please )

If we're not careful and we'll be saying that it's Ac. 2:38 AND people must get it on Sunday in the service at the front etc, etc, etc.

Core beliefs are core beliefs. EVERYONE who becomes a member at NLC hears the the Ac. 2:38 message without exception, because I am the one who teaches it. They also hear that it is more important to give their life to Jesus Christ than it is to follow our doctrine. I'll work with ANYONE who has give their heart, soul, mind and strength to Him. They'll get there. But you can keep every single RELIGIOUS doctrine touter who "knows" they have truth because you can smell it in their arrogance. If I could get them to Jesus Christ, they could have hope as well.

Not at Christ Church obedience to Acts 2:38 is NOT required for membership or leadership. Pianoman said his son-in-law had visited a year and not one sermons where the HGB was mentioned.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

This is true. My understanding of the purpose of the church is to get people to Jesus Christ and surrendered to Him. I personally don't care if that happens in service on Sunday morning, at a cell group in someone's home, in a new member class, or some other class. Different people receive things differently in different venues. My desire to get them to the cross whatever it takes. If I have to look like an idiot to do it, then so be it. (no comments please )

If we're not careful and we'll be saying that it's Ac. 2:38 AND people must get it on Sunday in the service at the front etc, etc, etc.

Core beliefs are core beliefs. EVERYONE who becomes a member at NLC hears the the Ac. 2:38 message without exception, because I am the one who teaches it. They also hear that it is more important to give their life to Jesus Christ than it is to follow our doctrine. I'll work with ANYONE who has give their heart, soul, mind and strength to Him. They'll get there. But you can keep every single RELIGIOUS doctrine touter who "knows" they have truth because you can smell it in their arrogance. If I could get them to Jesus Christ, they could have hope as well.

Love your heart for folks! May God bless you and your efforts if your church if not large it will be.

While speaking of large churches, some discount them simply because they are large. Truth is they are large because there is leadership and vision. So for the critics; if you have as much fire and truth as you think you have then reach your city. The leaders of the early church were accused of turning cities upside down, and scripture declares that they reached their world with the gospel. The good news that they have been reconciled to God by the "righteous act of one Man", (Romans 5.18) The message of reconciliation, is to enter into the "narrow gate" to the LIFE that His reconciliation has provided. They will continue to perish (waste) until they enter the gate.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Not at Christ Church obedience to Acts 2:38 is NOT required for membership or leadership. Pianoman said his son-in-law had visited a year and not one sermons where the HGB was mentioned.

This illustrates perfectly the difference I am describing.

[Steve Epley]

Lest someone thinks I am picking on CC there were churches in the Evansville, In. area that did the same thing and there is no similance of Pentecost in their message-service. Yet they baptize in Jesus Name( I guess it has been sometime since I was in contact with them) But neither baptism nor the HGB is stressed at all and are NOT required for membership or leadership.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Lest someone thinks I am picking on CC there were churches in the Evansville, In. area that did the same thing and there is no similance of Pentecost in their message-service. Yet they baptize in Jesus Name( I guess it has been sometime since I was in contact with them) But neither baptism nor the HGB is stressed at all and are NOT required for membership or leadership.

If want to get real oldskool maybe we should meet in homes??? ...

I thought the gift of the Holy Ghost was exactly that ... a gift .... not a requirement, as in an admission card....

isnt the physical evidence of speaking in tongues a sign for the unbeliever? ... and that the fruit of the Spirit is evidence, or a subsequent sign, that a believer is Spirit filled? ... oh boy .... we've strayed.