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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You just told me that you grew up in church. You went on to say that no one has ever been shot in any of the churches you have been in. So, this would indicate that your paranoia and fear is unfounded.

I've never had a thief break into my home before, I still lock my doors at night. Do you? Is that fear and paranoia, or is it just being cautious?

I've never had a house or apartment catch on fire, yet I still pay for insurance. How about you? Do you have insurance on your home? Have you ever needed it? Then by your own logic, you're living in fear and paranoia by paying for something that you don't need.

Just because something hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't happen.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Down here you can get shot, stabbed, or your jaw broken.

Well, thank God that hasn't happened, then.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Then in your logic you aren't preparing. If we who are living for Jesus Christ in this country are now being hunted in our own churches. Then you and your folks should lock your doors. Or at least have metal detectors.

You seem to be fixated on this notion that we're living in fear. We are not. Preparedness is not fear.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

By your logic just in case they start shooting up the place?

Using our firearms would be the very last resort, not the first. And I'm sure you well know and understand that, you just think you're being funny trying to push my buttons. All you're doing is presenting yourself as ignorant.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Or do they do that in your church services? I mean, shout, not shoot.

Yes, we have shouting and dancing and even the odd running of the aisles here.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Red herring. But, you are the weak one. I made it this long without having to use violence (and I have been in some interesting situations) I trust Jesus will keep me, my family, church family, and friends, from harm. In the garden of Gethsemane? You would of cut the soldier's head off.

No, not a red herring. That's the entire point of being armed, to protect OTHERS. It's not about saving our own lives, it's about being able to protect the lives of those around us.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But it's like this, no one in your church congregation is prepared if someone[s] opens fire. Your people aren't trained, even if they are military, or law enforcement. You have a congregation filled with a mix group, women, children, visitors. God forbid something went down. I think most of the people who believe they are being prepared by being "armed" with loaded weapons in the church. thinking they will just shoot the assailants, isn't that simple. It's like public schools arming teachers to ward off would be school shooters. While everyone thinks arming the congregants with guns is a solution in theory. It might not end well in real time. the truth is (I'm not trying to be funny) you guys might end up shooting everyone but the shooter. In your confusion and panic.

You are right that it's a possibility, but you're also making an assumption that we don't train at all. Anyone who carries a firearm should train to be proficient with it.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But as you have stated no one as long as you been in church has ever been shot. So this discussion is a big what if. So, you and I will pray in Jesus name that no one in our churches will ever been shot.

Indeed. Every day I carry, and every day I pray that I will never need to use it.

Maybe you're confused because you don't know what shooting I was referring to. I'll post a video that breaks down the entire scenario for you. It was in White Settlement, Texas last year. Unfortunately, YT flagged the video so you have to be signed in to watch it. I'll post a second video that addresses it, as well.