“Just call me pastor, son”.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Do your children call you pastor or dad?

In church the older ones will call me Pastor. And what makes my glad is I never had to tell them that.

And if some in the church just call me brother, that's fine with me as well.

Not against you, but we may be getting to the place in the church, where we tell other believers, "just treat me like you treat your friends in the world".

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

In church the older ones will call me Pastor. And what makes my glad is I never had to tell them that.

And if some in the church just call me brother, that's fine with me as well.

Not against you, but we may be getting to the place in the church, where we tell other believers, "just treat me like you treat your friends in the world".

I've always called my pastors 'Bro. so-and-so' through the years (yes, I called them so-and-so ).

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Im not talking about role identification, Im talking about the calling. I was posting about respect to call a Pastor a Pastor. If there is an Evangelist, I will call him evangelist. Why, because that's what God called him to do. I said it before, I respect the office, it has nothing to do with the man, yet the office God called him into.

It almost feels like everyone in your church does what they feel, no one has an office in the spirit, everyone has a calling of every office. Is there a leader in your church? Is everyone a leader?

You are misjudging my church. The Scriptures themselves show you they used no title before the name or to call a person “Hi Apostle”. Do you think that because they didn’t use titles they were doing “whatever they feel” as you are misjudging my church of doing?
Do you know there are UPCI churches where their Pastor thinks as I think and he teaches that they should be calling each other brother and sister instead of ministerial titles?

[Esaias]

Religious titles are forbidden by Jesus Christ.

/debate

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

In church the older ones will call me Pastor. And what makes my glad is I never had to tell them that.

And if some in the church just call me brother, that's fine with me as well.

Not against you, but we may be getting to the place in the church, where we tell other believers, "just treat me like you treat your friends in the world".

What’s wrong with calling your brother “dude”
Just kidding.

I think you believe that removing the title before name would cause a chain of reactions into disrespect. Be Scriptural brother and you will be fine.

[coksiw]

This portion of the text would probably scandalize somebody sensitive to the ritual of respect:

Galatians 2:6 (WEB) 6 But from those who were reputed to be important—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God doesn’t show partiality to man—they, I say, who were respected imparted nothing to me,

Paul was talking about all the apostles and elders in Jersualem. He was saying that to the entire church of Galatia, and this letter was known by all the saints as the autograph was copied and distributed.

After reading the Bible carefully, and analyzing the negative influence leaders can have on multitudes, you learn that you have to be very careful where you place people in your heart. That has nothing to do with recognizing the gift of God in people, and authorities, or submitting to authorities, or speaking with grace and respect to others.
Our Lord Jesus taught us that, and I believe it is safe for the teachers and the non-teachers to keep that practice. Praises can corrupt men's heart, and elevating others above measure can also make you vulnerable to the person's false doctrines (which usually come as sincerely held beliefs that are a mix of truth, untruth, and omissions).

[diakonos]

I’m gonna call my pastor by his first name tomorrow to see how it goes.

[shag]

Originally Posted by coksiw

You are mixing “role” identification with titles. Titles go in front of the name or they are used to call the attention of the person in question.
That is different than saying “there are prophets, apostles, teachers in the congregation”.

One thing is referring to roles and functions, and another thing to use titles to praise the individual in public, which was what the Pharisees loved people did to them.

Anyways, I showed Scriptures of the NT church practice, and you showed me Scriptures of role identification within the Church which are not titles.

I think you find necessary the titles in front of names to show due consideration of function within the church.
The problem with that is what our Rabbi Jesus said: don’t do it, you are brethren.
Those that love to be referred to with titles are looking for prominence among the brethren.

This could be part of why the wife calls her husband Pastor, instead of “my husband”,
and
the kids call their dad, “pastor”, instead of dad….


I just wonder if that is common across-the-board. I would think not, but maybe it is.





Also, does anyone go by the title, “Teacher” so and so?
I’m thinking not….
(Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers)

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”)

[diakonos]

I think we’re making a bigger deal about this than it really is.

It’s one thing to refer to a husband or father as “pastor” in front of the constituency. A whole other beast if they’re doing it in the home.

[shag]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I think we’re making a bigger deal about this than it really is.

It’s one thing to refer to a husband or father as “pastor” in front of the constituency. A whole other beast if they’re doing it in the home.

You are probably right….sure sounds strange to me though, knowing they’re family.

I am confident the bolded, is NOT the case.