What's your view on Hell?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

Do you agree w Amanahs post above regarding the two DIFFERENT resurrections, AND the 1 Cor 15 chapter is only speaking of the first resurrection? (found in Rev 20:1-5)
And that John 5:28-29 is speaking of two separate resurrections?
The first being the just raised immortal, and then a 2nd separate resurrection of the unjust being raised mortal?

I lean toward a premillennial understanding of Revelation 20, so I would say Revelation is speaking of two distinct resurrections separated by the Millennium. However you raise an interesting point about that: How do the saints inherit immortality prior to Judgment Day (which appears to occur after the second, general resurrection)? The standard answer is usually either 1) the saints, having been baptised into Christ's death and resurrection, have already been judged, or 2) Judgement Day (like "The Day of the Lord") is a term that includes everything from the Advent in Rev 19 to the General Judgment in Rev 20 rather than being limited to a singular event. I tend to think option 1 is likely more correct, although both options could work together. Then again perhaps the answer lies elsewhere.

But John 5 definitely teaches two resurrections:

John 5:28-29 KJV
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Cor 15:23 only mentions Christ's resurrection, then the resurrection of the saints at His coming. Verse 24 says "then cometh the end", which which would include the general resurrection. The time frame between the end of verse 23 and verse 24 is not mentioned there.

The way I see it, annihilation is false IF sinners are raised imperishable. Why I was wondering if there’s any other scriptures that might say wvwhat kind of body are sinners resurrected. I have not found any…

If they were raised imperishable, they would by definition be immortal and the second death would have no power over them - which would mean they were saints who had received the gift of eternal life and not sinners. So the non-saints are not raised imperishable, they can and will experience the second death. But since eternal life is the gift of God, it is not merely a byproduct of being raised from the dead, it is something added to the saints' resurrection which makes it qualitatively different from the non-saints' resurrection. Saints will live forever, not simply because they were resurrected, but because they belong to Christ.

I do see annihilation as being right, and it may look like I’m attempting to disprove it, but I am actually doing just the opposite. But if sinners are raised pershishable, then annihilation is false.

Question, Esaias, with what you were talking about the soul earlier, what kind of persons would be able to fulfill this scripture : Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul….


Regarding Matt.10:28
Who are those that can kill the body, but yet can NOT kill the soul?
(If the soul is defined as a living body, while it has the breathe of life.
Maybe I have I misunderstood you.

It does seem pointless for scripture to say to fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hell, if sinners are raised imperishable and canNOT be destroyed in hell. I assume this verse is speaking of Rev. 20:15

Well, the soul is a living PERSON (not just the living body, although the two go hand in hand), and while humans can destroy or kill the body, only God makes the call on who escapes the second death. So a saint who is killed has not had their hope of eternal life taken away. And you are correct, if a sinner cannot be destroyed then the warning in Matthew 10:28 is pointless and incorrect.