Forgiveness or Remission?

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Adam and Eve where expelled from the garden immediately following their sin. God did not continue that same relationship with Adam and Eve after sin entered the picture.



God also withdrew from people such as king Saul for his disobedience. The patriarchs demonstrated their week human nature at times, but overall displayed a life of faith that was evident by their obedience.



The temple was first sanctified by blood before the Lord ever filled the temple.



The churches where being warned of their present lost position with God. They where lost if they continued their course. That doesn’t sound like cohabitation with sin to me.



We can’t say that someone who has been baptized is truly rescued from the consequences of their sin debt, but they must stay the course. I don’t believe in eternal security.



The sin debt is done away with by the blood of Jesus. Baptism doesn’t put away the filth of the flesh, but is the answer of good conscious toward God.

Brother, not a single retort of yours in any way nullifies or answers anything I wrote. All I wrote, which you quoted, is absolutely true, Biblical fact, for anyone to read. God can dwell in the presence of sinful humanity, with His holiness and righteousness in no way negating the presence of that sinfulness. I think you missed or glossed over the point I made about the tendency within evangelical thinking to assume God and sin cannot be together in the same room, as it were. I showed otherwise, to prove that a person who has received the Holy Spirit, spoken in other tongues, prophesied, cast out evil spirits, done miracles, and etc. in the name of Christ, can still be lost in the final analysis.

There is therefore no proof in the Scriptures that remission needs to take place before God takes up residence in a person's heart through the Holy Spirit beforehand. Or, Paul and Peter don't agree. You chose which you think it right.