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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel

Progressive Dispensationalism, as articulated by Craig A. Blaising and Darrell L. Bock, is a refinement of traditional Dispensationalism. Here's a summary:

*Key features:*

1. *Redemptive history*: Emphasizes the unity and progress of redemptive history, rather than just dispensational distinctives.
2. *Complementary hermeneutics*: Combines literal and figurative interpretation, recognizing that Scripture uses both.
3. *Israel and the Church*: Sees Israel and the Church as interconnected, with the Church participating in Israel's promises and blessings.
4. *Already-not-yet eschatology*: Emphasizes that the eschatological kingdom has already begun, but its full realization is still future.
5. *One people of God*: Envisions a single people of God, comprising both Israel and the Church, united in Christ.
6. *Christological unity*: Highlights Christ as the central figure, uniting all of redemptive history and dispensations.
7. *Flexible dispensations*: Views dispensations as flexible, overlapping, and interconnected, rather than rigid and distinct.
8. *Emphasis on continuity*: Stresses continuity between the Testaments, and the ongoing relevance of the Old Testament.

*Differences from traditional Dispensationalism:*

1. *Less emphasis on dispensational boundaries*: Sees dispensations as fluid and interconnected.
2. *More emphasis on biblical theology*: Focuses on the overarching narrative and themes of Scripture.
3. *Reevaluation of Israel-Church relations*: Sees the Church as participating in Israel's promises, rather than replacing Israel.

By refining traditional Dispensationalism, Progressive Dispensationalism seeks to provide a more nuanced and biblically comprehensive understanding of God's redemptive plan.

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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel

This is a must listen!!!

Progressive Dispensationalism:

https://youtu.be/LjR-4NrchMA?si=v0J9YBVi2Wrgk2_E

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Like Jerusalem will be a cup of trembling unto all the people round about?
Israel will be the one to escalate the Great Tribulation? Do you see Jerusalem/Israel/Judaism as Mystery Babylon?
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So progressive Dispensationalism sees all the promises of all the covenants being fulfilled in Christ and inherited by the Church with the Kingdom of Christ reigning on a renewed earth. Wow!
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So progressive Dispensationalism sees all the promises of all the covenants being fulfilled in Christ and inherited by the Church with the Kingdom of Christ reigning on a renewed earth. Wow!
Do they believe that people have always been saved by grace thru faith or they believe like all dispensationalist about it?
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Yes, Progressive Dispensationalists believe that people have always been saved by grace through faith, throughout all of redemptive history. They emphasize that:

1. _Salvation is by grace through faith_: This is the consistent message of Scripture, from Genesis to Revelation.
2. _No change in the way of salvation_: God's method of saving people has always been by grace through faith, not by works or human effort.
3. _Continuity in God's plan_: Progressive Dispensationalists see a continuous thread of God's redemptive plan, with no radical discontinuities or changes in the way of salvation.

They argue that:

- In the Old Testament, people were saved by grace through faith, looking forward to the coming Messiah (Hebrews 11).
- In the New Testament, people are saved by grace through faith, looking back to the finished work of Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9).

By emphasizing the continuity of salvation by grace through faith, Progressive Dispensationalists reject any notion of a "different way of salvation" in the Old Testament, such as salvation by works or law-keeping. Instead, they see a unified message of salvation by grace through faith, spanning all of redemptive history.

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Here is the book

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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel

Progressive Dispensationalists believe in a future Rapture and Resurrection, but with some nuances:

1. *Pre-tribulation Rapture*: They still hold to a pre-tribulation Rapture, believing that the Church will be raptured before the Tribulation.
2. *Resurrection at the Rapture*: They affirm that the Rapture will involve a resurrection of deceased believers, who will receive glorified bodies.
3. *Living believers transformed*: At the Rapture, living believers will be instantly transformed into glorified bodies, without experiencing death.
4. *One Resurrection*: Progressive Dispensationalists see only one Resurrection, which occurs at the Rapture, rather than separate resurrections for different groups (e.g., Tribulation Saints).
5. *No separate Rapture for Tribulation Saints*: They believe that Tribulation Saints will be martyred and receive their glorified bodies at the end of the Tribulation, as part of the same Resurrection event.
6. *Emphasis on unity*: Progressive Dispensationalists stress the unity of all believers, both Old and New Testament, in the Resurrection and glorification.

By refining the traditional Dispensationalist view, Progressive Dispensationalists aim to provide a more cohesive and biblically grounded understanding of the Rapture and Resurrection.
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What do they call “dispensation” then, and what’s the meaning of it theologically?
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel

It's a Christ centered theology where covenantal promises to Noah, Abraham, Mosaic, Davidic, are fulfilled in National Israel inheriting the land and then receiving the New Covenant, and through Christ the gentile nations also inherit all the promises to National Israel to include the recreated earth in the Kingdom of Messiah.

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They miss the part about the church becoming the Israel of God.
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