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11-05-2024, 09:52 AM
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Re: Christians and Politics
I don't care what pentecostalism or any other isms thinks or has done.
Government is ordained by God to promote good and restrain evil, as outlined in Romans 13. Its primary function is to maintain justice, uphold the sanctity of life, and protect property.
Christians are called to:
*Respect and Obey Authorities: Be model citizens, honoring and obeying governing authorities ( Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:11-17)
*Pray for Governments: Pray for earthly governments to promote peace, justice, and righteousness ( 1 Timothy 2:1-4)
*Be Prophetic Voices: Speak out against injustice and call governments to accountability.
Examples of serving in govt:
*Joseph: Served in the Egyptian government, using his influence to benefit society ( Genesis 45:9-12).
*Daniel: Held high-ranking positions in foreign administrations, implementing policies that benefited society.
*Queen Esther: Used her influence in the Persian government to save the Jewish people.
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11-05-2024, 10:16 AM
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Re: Christians and Politics
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Originally Posted by Amanah
I don't care what pentecostalism or any other isms thinks or has done.
Government is ordained by God to promote good and restrain evil, as outlined in Romans 13. Its primary function is to maintain justice, uphold the sanctity of life, and protect property.
Christians are called to:
*Respect and Obey Authorities: Be model citizens, honoring and obeying governing authorities ( Romans 13:1-7, 1 Peter 2:11-17)
*Pray for Governments: Pray for earthly governments to promote peace, justice, and righteousness ( 1 Timothy 2:1-4)
*Be Prophetic Voices: Speak out against injustice and call governments to accountability.
Examples of serving in govt:
*Joseph: Served in the Egyptian government, using his influence to benefit society ( Genesis 45:9-12).
*Daniel: Held high-ranking positions in foreign administrations, implementing policies that benefited society.
*Queen Esther: Used her influence in the Persian government to save the Jewish people.
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Your examples are great.
Do you think there is a difference between the Old Covenant ways and the New Covenant ways. As far as how God used Joseph, Esther, and Daniel?
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11-05-2024, 12:05 PM
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Re: Christians and Politics
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Your examples are great.
Do you think there is a difference between the Old Covenant ways and the New Covenant ways. As far as how God used Joseph, Esther, and Daniel?
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Since the powers that be are ordained of God, we know that God is ultimately in control. Even though my Sister guilt tripped me into voting, I believe God's purpose will be done on earth as it is in heaven whether I vote or not.
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11-05-2024, 02:07 PM
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Re: Christians and Politics
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Since the powers that be are ordained of God, we know that God is ultimately in control. Even though my Sister guilt tripped me into voting, I believe God's purpose will be done on earth as it is in heaven whether I vote or not.
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Amen in Jesus name.
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11-05-2024, 03:47 PM
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Re: Christians and Politics
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Since the powers that be are ordained of God, we know that God is ultimately in control. Even though my Sister guilt tripped me into voting, I believe God's purpose will be done on earth as it is in heaven whether I vote or not.
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I follow…but this also comes to my mind…isn’t he not willing that any should perish, but they’re still perishing by the groves?
Is it possible that he is not allowing his will to be done with some things?
I don’t think I can wrap my mind around this stuff…hurts my brain…what all falls under “His will”, and if it’s accomplished even without the assistance of his body of Christ.
Not intending to argue your point…just thinking out loud
I figure he’s got it all under control know matter who gets voted in.
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11-05-2024, 04:15 PM
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I follow…but this also comes to my mind…isn’t he not willing that any should perish, but they’re still perishing by the groves?
Is it possible that he is not allowing his will to be done with some things?
I don’t think I can wrap my mind around this stuff…hurts my brain…what all falls under “His will”, and if it’s accomplished even without the assistance of his body of Christ.
Not intending to argue your point…just thinking out loud
I figure he’s got it all under control know matter who gets voted in.
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For 2,000+ years, the Church has proclaimed the gospel openly, as the Apostle Paul said, "This thing was not done in a corner" ( Acts 26:26). Jesus desires none to perish ( 2 Peter 3:9), yet teaches the path to salvation is narrow: "Enter through the narrow gate... few find it" ( Matthew 7:13-14). Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" ( John 14:6). People have to be open to an encounter with Jesus instead of rejecting Him and His commandments at every turn. I wonder how much of the big voter turnout is people wanting access to abortion and weed.
In the Old Testament nobody got to vote and yet God moved Kings and Kingdoms around the chess board to accomplish His will at His pleasure.
Alexander the Great conquered the world and God gave us the Septuagint and the Greek new testament to reach a Greek speaking world. The Romans conquered the world making roads accessible for missionaries to travel and preach the gospel. God is always making a way for us.
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11-05-2024, 05:01 PM
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Re: Christians and Politics
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For 2,000+ years, the Church has proclaimed the gospel openly, as the Apostle Paul said, "This thing was not done in a corner" ( Acts 26:26). Jesus desires none to perish ( 2 Peter 3:9), yet teaches the path to salvation is narrow: "Enter through the narrow gate... few find it" ( Matthew 7:13-14). Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me" ( John 14:6). People have to be open to an encounter with Jesus instead of rejecting Him and His commandments at every turn. I wonder how much of the big voter turnout is people wanting access to abortion and weed.
In the Old Testament nobody got to vote and yet God moved Kings and Kingdoms around the chess board to accomplish His will at His pleasure.
Alexander the Great conquered the world and God gave us the Septuagint and the Greek new testament to reach a Greek speaking world. The Romans conquered the world making roads accessible for missionaries to travel and preach the gospel. God is always making a way for us.
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11-06-2024, 11:24 AM
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Re: Christians and Politics
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Originally Posted by shag
I follow…but this also comes to my mind…isn’t he not willing that any should perish, but they’re still perishing by the groves?
Is it possible that he is not allowing his will to be done with some things?
I don’t think I can wrap my mind around this stuff…hurts my brain…what all falls under “His will”, and if it’s accomplished even without the assistance of his body of Christ.
Not intending to argue your point…just thinking out loud
I figure he’s got it all under control know matter who gets voted in.
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God wants many things that He doesn't necessarily get. Did He want Adam to sin? When it comes to human free will, God is willing to allow people to make their choices. If God just unilaterally saved everyone contrary to their own choice, then what exactly would "salvation" look like? It would look like eternity in hell for most people, because most people don't want anything to do with God.
So there is what people call "the permissive will of God", meaning there are things that God allows that aren't necessarily what He wants, in one sense, but He allows them to happen because in the larger scheme of things it is better. Thus God allows people free will, and allows them to choose evil, because to not allow them to choose evil would do more damage to His moral government of things than to allow them to exercise their free will.
As for the election, it hasn't even happened yet. The President and Vice President are not chosen by Mr and Mrs John Q Public. They are chosen by Electors, appointed by each State. Those Electors haven't yet voted as far as I know.
Thus, all the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on presenting the illusion of a "popular election", all the people involved in conveniently NOT emphasizing the actual election is not in the hands of Mr and Mrs John Q Public, proves beyond any possibility of refutation that the entire system is a racketeering confidence scam.
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11-10-2024, 10:08 AM
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Since the powers that be are ordained of God, we know that God is ultimately in control. Even though my Sister guilt tripped me into voting, I believe God's purpose will be done on earth as it is in heaven whether I vote or not.
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I am not saying God isn’t in control.
However in the atmosphere of the government, where does Gods will and man’s will come into play?
Meaning, does the will of an individual or a nation fall to the will of God?
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