The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits - Page 34

Thumper · #**331** 02-23-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronzo

That's churchy speak...

What does "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified" mean to anyone unchurched? How do you take the churchified message and put it in language the unchurched can understand and respond to?

How about :" Repent of your sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost "

That would be a pretty good start. Then maybe you could follow it up with explaining what those things are

SDG · #**332** 02-23-2007, 10:34 PM

So we're justified after Acts 2:38 ???... that's a glaring difference on how the PCIers preached it versus the PAJCers ....

#**333** 02-23-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

How about :" Repent of your sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost "

That would be a pretty good start. Then maybe you could follow it up with explaining what those things are

That would work much better.

rrford · #**334** 02-23-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So we're justified after Acts 2:38 ???... that's a glaring difference on how the PCIers preached it versus the PAJCers ....

You do realize that you are quoting a source that many consider a great "historical" reference but not necessarily a correct characterization of the UPCI at all, right?

RevDWW · #**335** 02-23-2007, 10:35 PM

HAve you ever noticed that Peter didn't preach a "seeker friendly" sermon on the day of Pentecost? Man he point out that they murdered Jesus. That wouldn't go over well in some of the "Big, Easy" churches you hear about.

SDG · #**336** 02-23-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

How about :" Repent of your sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and receive the Holy Ghost "

That would be a pretty good start. Then maybe you could follow it up with explaining what those things are

Yes ... please explain to me the "difference? between forgiveness of sins in repentance ... and remission of sins in baptism ... and how the blood is applied in the water .... and how the Holy Ghost is required for God to accept you and for the church to fully accept you ....

SDG · #**337** 02-23-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

You do realize that you are quoting a source that many consider a great "historical" reference but not necessarily a correct characterization of the UPCI at all, right?

It is comprehensive in its scholarship and even Norris said it's a valuable historical source .... let's not attack the messenger .... because we don't like the message RR

Felicity · #**338** 02-23-2007, 10:38 PM

While I can't negate the huge impact the Spirit of God made on me with the simultaneous experience of conviction & belief ......... and then profound and thorough repentance following swiftly on the heels of conviction and belief ....... there is no doubt in my mind at all the difference that was made in my life spiritually speaking when I received the baptism of the Spirit accompanied by tongues when I was 15 years old.

I can't even begin to imagine the difference there might be today had I never received this anointing of God's Spirit and presence in my life.

I was brought up and taught that it wasn't an optional experience. It was absolutely necessary and I sought for it long and hard. It didn't come easy but it did come

and I am so thankful that I've had the privilege of knowing God in His fullness.

#**339** 02-23-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

HAve you ever noticed that Peter didn't preach a "seeker friendly" sermon on the day of Pentecost? Man he point out that they murdered Jesus. That wouldn't go over well in some of the "Big, Easy" churches you hear about.

If they weren't seekers, they wouldn't have stuck around... it was seeker friendly in that culture.

He was preaching to men that knew the Law and studied it from the age of 5 or 6. They also knew what had just happened two months before... They were looking for Messiah.

Did you ever think that the reason you can't preach the "you killed Jesus" message to your average Sunday morning crowd (or that it wouldn't go over well) was because they DIDN'T kill Jesus?

rrford · #**340** 02-23-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It is comprehensive in its scholarship and even Norris said it's a valuable historical source .... let's not attack the messenger .... because we don't like the message RR

Norris saying it is a valid historical source does not give total credibility. Historical reference? Sure. True scholarship? Not really. Too many mischaracterizations of the UPCI to accept much beyond the historical value.

We had these discussions ad infinitum on FCF and NFCF. I really don't care to jump into it again.