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Old 06-26-2007, 02:44 PM
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The Vice President's office (meaning his staff) does not have legislative functions. Even the Vice President doesn't have any real legislative functions as President of the Senate. Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution states "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided." Interestingly, there are no other functions listed in the Constitution for the Vice President.

That being the case, then it appears the office of the Vice President has no lawful power whatsoever except as a tie-breaker in Senate votes.

Somebody with lots of money needs to launch a federal lawsuit...
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:51 PM
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That being the case, then it appears the office of the Vice President has no lawful power whatsoever except as a tie-breaker in Senate votes.

Somebody with lots of money needs to launch a federal lawsuit...
Basically, he's just there to take over the presidency if the President dies or becomes too incapacitated to perform the duties of the office (though it took the 25th Amendment to solidify that last part).
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:02 PM
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http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/..._President.htm

Perhaps Cheney is actually right, in a weird sort of way...

Also, it seems the Vice President is responsible for receiving and opening the election results from the states so they may be counted by the Congress.

My conclusion is that the Office of Vice President is a legislative office which happens to be first in line for succession should the President be incapacitated in his duties.

Why in the world the Office has evolved into an executive branch office I do not know.

What I DO know is that lawfully, the Office of Vice President is probably the least important office in government, or at least one of the least.

As to Cheney's actions while in office, or what his office actually "does", I have no idea anymore. His office is maintaining secrecy, which seems rather strange for an office charged simply with opening election results every four years and casting a tie breaking vote in the Senate whenever that becomes necessary, and being charged with presiding (as to rules of order) over the Senate.

In fact, it seems we could safely do away with the Office itself and just substitute a Presidential appointee in its place... (of course that would require an Amendment...)
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:24 PM
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http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/..._President.htm

Perhaps Cheney is actually right, in a weird sort of way...

Also, it seems the Vice President is responsible for receiving and opening the election results from the states so they may be counted by the Congress.

My conclusion is that the Office of Vice President is a legislative office which happens to be first in line for succession should the President be incapacitated in his duties.

Why in the world the Office has evolved into an executive branch office I do not know.

What I DO know is that lawfully, the Office of Vice President is probably the least important office in government, or at least one of the least.

As to Cheney's actions while in office, or what his office actually "does", I have no idea anymore. His office is maintaining secrecy, which seems rather strange for an office charged simply with opening election results every four years and casting a tie breaking vote in the Senate whenever that becomes necessary, and being charged with presiding (as to rules of order) over the Senate.

In fact, it seems we could safely do away with the Office itself and just substitute a Presidential appointee in its place... (of course that would require an Amendment...)
But in having classified material in his office's possession, he's not acting in a legislative branch role. The material he has is related to the executive branch. He has no real executive branch functions according to the Constitution unless the President dies or becomes incapacitated. Yet, the Vice President is still considered part of the Executive Branch because he is elected with the President.
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:24 PM
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Brother, I know exactly what he's done. He's basically said that the office of Vice President, or, more specifically, his office, is not part of the executive branch of the government. Here is an article I read earlier today.
I see you can read Rico. Now you have said that Cheney's actions are a dangerous precident.

can you tell me in your own words why?

can you articulate exactly what the VP has done wrong?


These are very important questions if you are going to use DCs comments and actions as some kind of basis for opposing the DC, GW, or the republican party.
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:37 PM
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Oh good grief.

this is much a-do about nothing!

Cheney is my hero, he is sticking it to the Dems in Congress! Go DC!


LOLOLOLOLOL!

by the way, this is all about the President and Vice President choosing to impliment an executive order issued by the President. There is no legal issue here at all.
you people need to quit listening to liberals.

The right wing wacko Ann Colter disagrees with you.
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:44 PM
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:46 PM
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The right wing wacko Ann Colter disagrees with you.
Sometimes Ann is dead on. sometimes she is a nincompoop
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I see you can read Rico. Now you have said that Cheney's actions are a dangerous precident.

can you tell me in your own words why?

can you articulate exactly what the VP has done wrong?


These are very important questions if you are going to use DCs comments and actions as some kind of basis for opposing the DC, GW, or the republican party.
Sure, Brother. Let me make it simple for you. Cheney doesn't feel like he has to give an account of his actions. I feel it's a dangerous precedent (note the spelling) because this administration seems to be leaning more and more towards not having to account for anything it does, all in the name of supposed national security, and that scares me as an American. I have come to the point that I am seriously beginning to question exactly who's security it is they are trying to protect, theirs or ours. Bottom line, I don't trust either of them anymore and it reflects badly on the party Bush is representing, namely the Republican party. Have I passed your little test?
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Old 06-26-2007, 05:55 PM
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Sure, Brother. Let me make it simple for you. Cheney doesn't feel like he has to give an account of his actions. I feel it's a dangerous precedent (note the spelling) because this administration seems to be leaning more and more towards not having to account for anything it does, all in the name of supposed national security, and that scares me as an American. I have come to the point that I am seriously beginning to question exactly who's security it is they are trying to protect, theirs or ours. Bottom line, I don't trust either of them anymore and it reflects badly on the party Bush is representing, namely the Republican party. Have I passed your little test?
Well you havent passed but at least we are getting somewhere.

Lets stick to this topic strictly.
you suggest that Cheney's actions in this incident show a lack of accountability.

Can you tell me WHO Cheney is accountable to as it relates to the executive order that he is accused of violating?
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