The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[Brett Prince]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Answer: Yes, but this has never happened and more than likely never will 1Peter 3:21 says that in like manner, baptism does now also save us. Mark 16:16 says the he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. So, that person is lost.

Bro. Price, I am not saying you are wrong. I would suggest, though, that we should leave this person in the hands of a sovereign God--rather than presume.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Sam

Howard Goss told Carl Ballestero at a camp meeting in Indiana that "even the Baptists will be in the Bride of Christ."

I wonder how often, and how vehemently Goss preached that one was to be baptized in Jesus Name, and receive the Holy Ghost??


I think the original thought of this thread is still that todays version of PCI (NOT ALL mind you) does not stress baptism in Jesus name as a must, and receiving the Holy Ghost as a must, as the old timers PCIers were said to have done. I was not back there, so I do not know this to be true or false. But this seems to be the question none the less.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

A person attends a UPC church and hears, and reponds to, the Gospel and repents of their sins and is to be baptized on Sunday. He is tragically killed in a car accident on Friday night. He he lost?

A woman repents of her sins in an ALJC church and is baptized according to Acts 2:38. She has not yet recieved the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Is she lost?

A man repents and is baptized according to Acts 2:38, and recieves the baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues, but believe that forgiveness of sins in obtained through repentance. Is he lost?


They say silence is golden. But its also a form of deception. If you believe these persons are lost, then say it. We take pride in the fact that we are bold and secure in our beliefs. Are these people lost?

My answer? No, No. No.

If one did not receive the spirit, the bible (God) states that they are none of his.


Now, since the holy ghost comes by faith, if they did not receive it, did they have faith, or is God a liar?

[Brother Price]

Bro. Prince. The answer I gave was from my reading and studying of the scriptures. We must understand that this merciful God we serve has established in His Word what it takes to be saved. These scenarios are simply fictional. His truth has been established from everlasting. One must repent of our sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. I am really stern on this, and will not change.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Modern PCIers? There really aren't any PCI or PAJCers left.

There is currently an organization called the PAJC.
Their web site is
http://www.pajc.org/index.html

When I was in St. Paul, MN in 1956/1957 a young lady from Cleveland, OH was there and the local church she belonged to was PAJC. She showed me a magazine from them. I don't know if the group at the above website is still that same group or not.

Good to see you here, Sam.


Love ya bro

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Bro. Prince. The answer I gave was from my reading and studying of the scriptures. We must understand that this merciful God we serve has established in His Word what it takes to be saved. These scenarios are simply fictional. His truth has been established from everlasting. One must repent of our sins, be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. I am really stern on this, and will not change.

Bro Price,

I agree with you. We have the Law of God, complete with the boundaries that they extend to as far as salvation is concerned. It is not a joyous thing that anyone would be lost, but lets face the fact that the bible is the measuring stick, and not us. If one has not obeyed the scriptures, we can tell their end according to the scriptures.

It bothers me that those that believe in the Apostolic doctrine are uneasy to declare the outcome of one that does not obey it. It sends an uncertain sound though the air, in my opinion.

[whollyHis]

I have a sincere question, and I have asked it before- but got very few serious responses...

If you can 'be saved' without the NAme being applied in baptism, and you can be saved with or without speaking in tongues as the spirit of God giveth utterance (receiving the Holy Ghost), and you can be saved with, or without maintaining a code of dress that sets you apart from the world...What then, is the 'deciding factor' in this equation, of whether one makes into the Bride of Christ? What sets His children 'apart' from everyone else?


*Disclaimer....I am NOT judging any one group of folk. I sincerely WANT to have an answer to this question...

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Good to see you here, Sam.


Love ya bro

Yes, it is!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So now you are questioning the Oneness of God?

I guess the slippery slope theory is really true.

C'mon ... PP ... I'm as Oneness as you ... I was examining a different issue ... but you know that already ....