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Old 07-03-2007, 08:31 PM
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I'll be quite honest ,and maybe I'm wrong but I don't see women as Bishops in The NT.But I'm willing to hear other's views on the matter.
Hopefully I'm not anybody's enemy for asking these questions.
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:34 PM
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Maybe Im way off base here but couldnt that mean multipule wives as in pologamy?
That could be right. Even though men like Abraham and David had several wives, the standard for a NT minister might be monogamy instead of polygamy. Also, it could mean that if the person was married, he/she was to be faithful to his/her one spouse.
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The Husband of one wife could mean a one woman man.
Also if a man's wife fell into adultery ,he being the innocent party could remarry only in The Lord , I wouldn't feel such a one would be excluded from the office of Bishop or the eldership.
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:41 PM
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In Romans 16:1, the Apostle Paul wrote:
I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, 2 that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also.

The word servant is the Greek word diakonos which is word number 1249 in the Strongs Concordance.

Without comment, here are all the other places that word diakonos occurs in our New Testament:

Matthew 20:26 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant.

Matthew 22:13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness

Matthew 23:11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mark 9:35 And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.”

Mark 10:43 Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant.

John 2:5 His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”

John 2:9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew),

John 12:26 If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor.

Romans 13:4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God,

I Cor. 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one?

2 Cor 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2 Cor 6:4 But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses,

2 Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

2 Cor 11:23 Are they ministers of Christ?—I speak as a fool—I am more:

Gal 2:17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!

Eph 3:7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.

Eph 6:21 But that you also may know my affairs and how I am doing, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, will make all things known to you;

Phil 1:1 Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ,
To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Col 1:7 as you also learned from Epaphras, our dear fellow servant, who is a faithful minister of Christ on your behalf,

Col 1:23 hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Col 1:25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,

Col 4:7 Tychicus, a beloved brother, faithful minister, and fellow servant in the Lord, will tell you all the news about me.

1 Thess 3:2 and sent Timothy, our brother and minister of God, and our fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ

I Tim 3:8 Likewise deacons must be reverent,

1 Tim 3:12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife,

1 Tim 4:6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ,

The people who wrote what became our New Testament quoted from a Bible we call the LXX or the Septuagint. It was a Greek Bible. Here are all the places the word diakonos occurs in the Greek Old Testament

Esther 2:2 Then the king’s servants who attended him said: “Let beautiful young virgins be sought for the king;

Esther 6:1 But the Lord removed sleep from the king that night; and he told his servant to bring the book of the records of the chronicles

Esther 6:3 Then the king said, “What honor or dignity has been bestowed on Mordecai for this?” And the king’s servants who attended him said, “Nothing has been done for him.”

Esther 6:5 The king’s servants said to him, “Haman is there, standing in the court.” And the king said, “Let him come in.”
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Well a deacon was an important office in The NT. church ,but it wasn't the same role as a Bishop though was it ?
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Can a woman be a Pastor of a local assembly ?

N O !





It this scriptural or agains't scripture?



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Does the Bible permit or forbid a woman to oversee a local church ?




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The Husband of one wife could mean a one woman man.
Also if a man's wife fell into adultery ,he being the innocent party could remarry only in The Lord , I wouldn't feel such a one would be excluded from the office of Bishop or the eldership.
I've heard that it meant a one woman man before.

As far as remarriage after a divorce, that varies from church to church and from district to district. Often it is based on "who you know", not principle.

The Jews had a very liberal policy on who could divorce and then remarry based on Deut 24:1-2 which was pretty loosely interpreted in the first century (and maybe even in the church) as:
1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favor in his eyes, because he hath found some unbecoming thing in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
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Here is a question in the OT. why didn't women serve in the priesthood ?
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Please expound your position a little more, teach us from the word your viewpoint.
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