John 3: The Difference between PCI and PAJC on New Birth - Page 4

Steve Epley · #31 02-25-2007, 08:20 PM

Personally I think the merger was a mistake. Ben Pemberton said "this marriage was not made in Heaven." The focus of evengelizing the world with the Acts 2:38 message was noble and both camps were fervent doing so and together they did a good job at this, but the fundamental differences were bound to affect them with each other and it did so from the beginning in many areas of the country. Churches that changed pastors not knowing that two different schools of thought were put into utter confusion. Preaching to the world was one thing but getting along with each other was another.

ManOfWord · #32 02-25-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

To align yourself with men like Gillespie or Sabin is apostasy. They are apostates.

Both men are personal friends of mine Dr. Epley.

If they are apostates, does that make you the chosen crusader for "truth?" Boy am I honored, Sir Knight!

SDG · #33 02-25-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Personally I think the merger was a mistake. Ben Pemberton said "this marriage was not made in Heaven." The focus of evengelizing the world with the Acts 2:38 message was noble and both camps were fervent doing so and together they did a good job at this, but the fundamental differences were bound to affect them with each other and it did so from the beginning in many areas of the country. Churches that changed pastors not knowing that two different schools of thought were put into utter confusion. Preaching to the world was one thing but getting along with each other was another.

This is great !!!! Now the merger was a MISTAKE??? We're getting to the heart of the matter ... some much for old timers preaching the message with the same fervency ..... lol ... I wish Ferd was reading this ...

Steve Epley · #34 02-25-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Both men are personal friends of mine Dr. Epley.

If they are apostates, does that make you the chosen crusader for "truth?" Boy am I honored, Sir Knight!

Yes I am a chosen crusader for truth and these men are apostates I say that without being hesitant one bit. When Sabin placed that ad in the paper apologizing for preaching truth that was it for me. I personally contacted his office and asked clear questions and got clear answers. These folk no longer are part of the Apostolic Church they are modern apostates who have drawn disciples after themselves.

berkeley · #35 02-25-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes I am a chosen crusader for truth and these men are apostates I say that without being hesitant one bit. When Sabin placed that ad in the paper apologizing for preaching truth that was it for me. I personally contacted his office and asked clear questions and got clear answers. These folk no longer are part of the Apostolic Church they are modern apostates who have drawn disciples after themselves.

what did the ad say???

Sherri · #36 02-25-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

When the UPC was formed in 1945, the PCI had a magazine called "The Apostolic Herald" and the PAJC had a magazine called "The Pentecostal Outlook." It was decided to replace these magazines with a new one for the new organization. The new magazine was named "The Pentecostal Herald" and is referred to as the "official organ" of the UPC. I have a DVD containing the Pentecostal Heralds from the original issue in December 1945 through 2004. The first copy was 16 pages. Some of the pages are missing in the copy on the DVD. Here is an article on page 6 titled, "Our Paper, The Pentecostal Herald."
I will quote it but will not use quotation marks for the whole article, only the areas within that have quotation marks. Also, any parts which may appear in boldface type are bolded by me for emphasis and are not in boldface in the original article.

This the first issue of The Pentecostal Herald, which is the official organ of the United Pentecostal Church, is the direct result of the merger of the two former papers, The Pentecostal Outlook and the Apostolic Herald. When the two former organizations, namely, The Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ, Inc., and The Pentecostal Church, Inc., merged into one united organization, the two papers were merged into one. This we acknowledge with joy and great satisfaction, and look forward to a greater paper for the glory of God and the progress of truth.

The two former conferences agreed to make this paper open for articles pertaining to truths that may or may not be the opinion of all brethren, so long as these articles do not conflict with the Fundamentals of Faith of the United Pentecostal Church. However, the Editor is to be governed by the spirit of the article, and whenever the spirit of controversy is noticed in the article he is to act accordingly, and refer such articles to the Board of Publication

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. This is indeed the proper attitude toward the most vital subject, as we are all seeking after truth, and are confident that God will lead us into all truth by His Spirit. It is to be remembered that any and all material written in the spirit of controversy will be rejected by the Editor and the Board of Publication. This again is a great step in the right direction, and we pray that God will give the Editor wisdom and discernment in these most important and vital matters. If they should make some mistakes let us remember that they are men, and pray for them knowing that they are sincerely doing their best to carry out the orders of the Conference.

Articles for the Herald are solicited, and those who are capable of writing should keep a supply at Headquarters continually. These articles should be typed and double spaced; the writer should take every pain in preparing this material knowing that it will be read by tens of thousands of people. Further, if your articles should be rejected, or if you should not see it immediately, or even if you do not hear from the Editor regarding it, do not take offense at this, but pray God to give you something better and worthy of this great paper.

It has been my privilege to be connected with the editing of The Apostolic Herald for the past two years, and as one who is retiring from this task, I beseech each one to pray for the Editor in a special way, and to cooperate by sending in good spiritual articles; also by ordering rolls and sending subscriptions continually. Above all let us keep the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace.

Yours in Jesus,
Oscar Vouga

Editor's Note: The preparation of this, the first issue of The Pentecostal Herald, was handled by our Brother Vouga, who is the retiring editor of The Apostolic Herald. We take this opportunity of extending to him our appreciation for his fine services in the preparation of this material.

I think this is very eye-opening. I had never read it before, but I knew from old timers that this is the way it was handled. I think what he said is interesting--that we are all searching for more truth. That's the problem today; so many of us think that we have all truth and there is no more to learn. There are problems on both sides of the issue.

Steve Epley · #37 02-25-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is great !!!! Now the merger was a MISTAKE??? We're getting to the heart of the matter ... some much for old timers preaching the message with the same fervency ..... lol ... I wish Ferd was reading this ...

Read the complete quote. Some was good but it could not last. Only friendships that bonded kept them together.