Enhancing

Originally Posted by Felicity

Sounds good to me.

I feared just such a response!

Way to go Felicity!

BTW... where does the self-esteem improvement stop and vanity begin?

I suppose that LINE is subjective too. and it certainly isn't a STRAIGHTLINE!

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by philjones

The post you responded to was DEFINITELY along those exact lines. But perhaps we should hire models to do the ushering or perhaps make it a ministry to transform your dumpy but godly friends into women beautiful to both God and man.

I am not attacking cosmetic enhancements but rather the idea that we might consider enhancements as a potential evangelistic tool.

ouch! ok....even if its not what I meant...

Hey leave my most beautiful, ultimately pretty to God friends out of this--

But shouldn't their love, devotion and prayer life be enough for them to be noticed by a fine upstanding godly man???? hummmmm???

Originally Posted by Jeanie

ouch! ok....even if its not what I meant...

Hey leave my most beautiful, ultimately pretty to God friends out of this--

But shouldn't their love, devotion and prayer life be enough for them to be noticed by a fine upstanding godly man???? hummmmm???

Absolutely! That is why I am saying we don't need cosmetic surgery to be both Godly and attractive! I am not sure that you and i have an argument here.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by philjones

Absolutely! That is why I am saying we don't need cosmetic surgery to be both Godly and attractive! I am not sure that you and i have an argument here.

My friends aren't really dumpy, but totally sold out to God, but even in a "holiness" church they passed over for the more visibly pretty ones.

Its just sad to me

fyi I rather jumped in this thread, without really catching what it was really about.

[Felicity]

I don't think I could be happy with somebody I wasn't physically attracted to. I mean that's not the main thing but a very important part of the mix.

However, I've heard that in the case of arranged marriages where brides and grooms don't get the chance to choose for themselves, that many of those marriages are very successful. People learn to like and love one another over the course of time and appreciation is based on more than physical appearance and the marriage is built on some fairly important things that are important and contribute to the success of the marriage.

On the other hand, there are stunningly beautiful women and very virile, handsome and physically appealing men whose marriages last only a short time and they've had many partners - both married and not - probably cause the marriage isn't built on what's truly important but more on the physical.

So there ya go.

I think personality is very important and for most of us women knowing that the man we're joining our lives to for the rest of our lives can take care of us and be successful at what they do (however you want to define success) is pretty important too.

I could never be seriously interested in someone who I didn't feel could offer me some security and I say that having married a preacher. Oh boy! LOL.

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't think I could be happy with somebody I wasn't physically attracted to. I mean that's not the main thing but a very important part of the mix.

However, I've heard that in the case of arranged marriages where brides and grooms don't get the chance to choose for themselves, that many of those marriages are very successful. People learn to like and love one another over the course of time and appreciation is based on more than physical appearance and the marriage is built on some fairly important things.

On the other hand, there are stunningly beautiful women and very virile, handsome and physically appealing men whose marriages last a short time and they've had many partners - both married and not.

So there ya go.

I think personality is very important and for most of us women knowing that the man we're joining our lives to for the rest of our lives can take care of us and be successful at what they do (however you want to define success) is pretty important to.

I could never be seriously interested in someone who I didn't feel could offer me some security and I say that having married a preacher. Oh boy! LOL.

Is it possible that your definition of security when you married a preacher was somewhat different then than it is now... Speaking terms of being secure spiritually versus physically and financially...?

[Straightline]

Originally Posted by philjones

BTW... where does the self-esteem improvement stop and vanity begin?

I suppose that LINE is subjective too. and it certainly isn't a STRAIGHTLINE!

Careful now!

Not even your stateline
is a
Straightline

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Chan

The first is vanity (even if she's only doing it for her husband) and the second is the sin of pride.

Oh, whatever.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by philjones

So, let me see, HO... as an evangelist, I am insecure because of my gynecomastia... so, I choose to have cosmetic surgery... I don't just get a reduction... I get flat pecs "installed" a la the Terminator and simultaneously I choose to have my biceps enhanced to a nice 17", I have a tummy tuck and love handle reduction... then I start wearing tapered white shirts that are fitted top and bottom cuff to cuff and I ALWAYS remove my jacket as I am preaching so you can see the spread of the lats and bulge of the biceps and the narrow waist and OF COURSE my spectacular pecs. I am sure this is all good and godly and in the interest of the kingdom. RIGHT!

All of this of course, as was implied in the original post to which this response was made, to enhance the female and possibly gay male attendance at my revivals.

No, I am quite sure I know nothing about the subject... I am, after all, just an ignorant man.

LOL....my guess is your in the amen corner with MOW!