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07-19-2007, 04:43 PM
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How about a Christian who gossips; who covets; who lies; who writes checks when there is not enough in the bank to cover them; who is addicted to some substance such as alcohol, drugs, caffeine; who disregards the speed limit; who views pornography; who files fraudulent tax returns; etc.?
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True Sam.
One question though. Some may struggle with the above and want deliverance,
sounds as if this person "enjoys" and is even "proud" of his lifestyle choice.
I see a difference.
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07-19-2007, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron
True Sam.
One question though. Some may struggle with the above and want deliverance,
sounds as if this person "enjoys" and is even "proud" of his lifestyle choice.
I see a difference.
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Ron,
I see the difference too.
It is one thing to enjoy living in sin and another thing to recognize a sinful weakness/tendency and struggle to live above it.
I think there is a difference between being homosexual (having desire for someone of the same sex) and living the homosexual lifestyle.
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Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
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07-19-2007, 05:01 PM
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Ron,
I see the difference too.
It is one thing to enjoy living in sin and another thing to recognize a sinful weakness/tendency and struggle to live above it.
I think there is a difference between being homosexual (having desire for someone of the same sex) and living the homosexual lifestyle.
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Amen!
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07-19-2007, 09:50 PM
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I have no doubt that with political correctness gone mad in our own country that it is just a matter of time before preaching against homosexuality or not allowing avowed homosexuals to hold jobs at churches will be considered a "hate crime" and "discrimination".
Christians in America need to wake up and realize that politics do matter. Right now Barak O'Bama is saying that five year olds need to be taught sex education! I am sure this "education" will include indoctrination on "non traditional families" to instill approval of homosexuality at an early age.
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07-19-2007, 09:54 PM
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I have no doubt that with political correctness gone mad in our own country that it is just a matter of time before preaching against homosexuality or not allowing avowed homosexuals to hold jobs at churches will be considered a "hate crime" and "discrimination".
Christians in America need to wake up and realize that politics do matter. Right now Barak O'Bama is saying that five year olds need to be taught sex education! I am sure this "education" will include indoctrination on "non traditional families" to instill approval of homosexuality at an early age.
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Insane...what is teaching them sex education at 5 going to do?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-19-2007, 10:02 PM
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Insane...what is teaching them sex education at 5 going to do?
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I heard a woman on the radio here in TN about a year ago talking about a requirement they have for pre school day care centers. Legally they have to teach a curriculum that is supposed to protect kids against predators but instead takes preschoolers who have no clue about sex and is sexualizing them by bringing the subject up.
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07-20-2007, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
So the UK law only applies to the church of england?
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The UK law applies to all of the UK. Note the following from the article, however:
"The case has implications for other religious groups because it was the first test of their legal duty under anti-discrimination laws brought in in 2003.
Equality rules bar bias against workers on grounds of sexual orientation.
Religious groups were given an exemption to allow them to turn down gay candidates for clerical posts and traditionalists argue the exemption should apply to lay appointments too."
Keep in mind also that there is no "separation of church and state" in England and that the Church of England is the country's official religion.
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07-20-2007, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1
I have no doubt that with political correctness gone mad in our own country that it is just a matter of time before preaching against homosexuality or not allowing avowed homosexuals to hold jobs at churches will be considered a "hate crime" and "discrimination".
Christians in America need to wake up and realize that politics do matter. Right now Barak O'Bama is saying that five year olds need to be taught sex education! I am sure this "education" will include indoctrination on "non traditional families" to instill approval of homosexuality at an early age.
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Oh, please! When are you people going to get it through your thick heads that we are not of this world, that our citizenship is in Heaven, and that God is going to bring down judgment on this wicked world? You commit treason against God by supporting the false gospels of "family values" and so-called "Christian America."
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07-20-2007, 08:06 AM
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Insane...what is teaching them sex education at 5 going to do?
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Probably about the same that it does to farmers' kids that learn about it through watching the sheep and the cows and the goats.
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07-20-2007, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Chan
Oh, please! When are you people going to get it through your thick heads that we are not of this world, that our citizenship is in Heaven, and that God is going to bring down judgment on this wicked world? You commit treason against God by supporting the false gospels of "family values" and so-called "Christian America."
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Sincerely, we're to fulfill the creation mandate, which was PRE-fall, and that includes the Lordship of Christ over ALL of life as He is in dominion now. Hebrews 2, Psalms 8.
I realize that you may be polishing the brass on a sinking ship but I'm not.
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