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Old 07-21-2007, 12:43 AM
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I think it's wonderful this women set herself free from Welfare system! As for the devil, I think he already in the church having a field day with the power hair thing and the false outward dress as a sign, I could go on~! .....
PLEASE! There is no comparison! People having convictions and striving to please God (btw i don't agree w/ the "magical hair" thing and i don't believe its as wide spread as some like to think) and celebrating witchcraft.... apples and oranges... don't think so sis cupcake!
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Old 07-21-2007, 05:10 AM
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It is no more evil than Star Wars... oh, but I guess it is okay if instead of "Witch" you call them something like "Darth Vader" or "Darth Maul". The entire series of movies is about learning how to use supernatural forces either for good or for evil.

I'm with CC1 on this, so don't really have a lot to say. I'm going to go buy the book today, will read it over the weekend and my life will go on without a single negative effect... other than that I will have wasted the $16.97 or whatever on a book that I could have spent at Fuddruckers with all of the Pentecostal people after church on Sunday night.
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Old 07-21-2007, 06:53 AM
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I would not want a Harry Potter in my possession, or my family's. Anything that glorifies things that God calls an abomination---I don't want anything to do with. The enemy has used these writings/movies to get kids everywhere enthralled with the dark side, and to make them think that it's acceptable. Everyone is saying that this latest book is alot "darker" than any of the others; it's been a downhill progression from the seemingly innocent first book.
I have some very strong opinions on this and have hesitated in answering, realizing the point would be made of what we watched as kids.

To begin with, the author of Potter admitted on a radio program in October 1999 that she studied the occult in order to write more accurately.

I would ask those who defend this book as good reading and entertainment, have you ever visited the HP website?! I haven't in a few years, but this was what I found when I did...

On this site there is a ‘Wizard Store’ where kids can buy t-shirts and other items with the Potter logo, and there is even a place where one can ‘enroll’ in the school Harry attends.

The supplies needed for the school are books on witchcraft, potions, and spells, a guide to transfiguration, a wand, and a cauldron.

Children are then asked what they would like to do if they could cast a spell on themselves...fly or become invisible, among other things.

There is a section on the site, called ‘Divination’. In this area, children can play ‘games’, such as, ‘Tea Leaf Reading’ and ‘Crystal Ball Reading’…and this is supposed to be harmless entertainment.

Just in case someone is thinking that none of this will have an impact on the kiddies, a 9 year old girl was asked about Harry Potter. She said, “I’d like to go to a wizard school, learn magic and put spells on people. I’d make up an ugly spell, and then it’s payback time!” A 10 year old girl said, “I want to be a witch!”, and an 11 year old boy said, “It would be great to be a wizard because you could control situations and things like teachers!”

We had our own experience with my niece, who after reading, told me that white witchcraft was good and there is no such thing as hell. All is well now and she is Spirit filled, but it was a long haul.

Adults...do what you want. I certainly would never try to tell you what you should or shouldn't do, but I would STRONGLY disagree with a child reading Harry Potter.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:08 AM
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Barb,

I don't disagree that HP can dispose mushy young minds towards being accepting of witchcraft.

Everything is context. The books are pure fantasy and great fiction. For kids who have Christian parents to put things in context I don't think there is a problem. However for heathern kids or kids whose families are nominally "christian" but are unchurched and unlearned it does at least open them to thinking positively about words like "witchcraft" and the idea of spells, potions, etc. Probably the vast majority of those people also keep HP in context as fantasy and not related to reality but I am sure there are a few it leads astray just as any number of things can do.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:15 AM
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Barb,

I don't disagree that HP can dispose mushy young minds towards being accepting of witchcraft.

Everything is context. The books are pure fantasy and great fiction. For kids who have Christian parents to put things in context I don't think there is a problem. However for heathern kids or kids whose families are nominally "christian" but are unchurched and unlearned it does at least open them to thinking positively about words like "witchcraft" and the idea of spells, potions, etc. Probably the vast majority of those people also keep HP in context as fantasy and not related to reality but I am sure there are a few it leads astray just as any number of things can do.
Hon, my brother and SIL are saved and sanctified and still my niece was hooked.

At any rate, I agree about the role parents have in this. Parenting is such a tedious thing...finding the right things to do and not do...say and not say.

My respect to those who do this with diligence and succeed.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:54 AM
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Barb,

I don't disagree that HP can dispose mushy young minds towards being accepting of witchcraft.

Everything is context. The books are pure fantasy and great fiction. For kids who have Christian parents to put things in context I don't think there is a problem. However for heathern kids or kids whose families are nominally "christian" but are unchurched and unlearned it does at least open them to thinking positively about words like "witchcraft" and the idea of spells, potions, etc. Probably the vast majority of those people also keep HP in context as fantasy and not related to reality but I am sure there are a few it leads astray just as any number of things can do.
There are a lot of movies that kids have watched that lead to the mindset the children have now - "revenge". Hardly anything you watch doesn't have an element of getting even as the plot.

I can see why some kids would buy into the thought of attending a school like HP. Casting spells and getting even. Reminds me of Columbine.
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Old 07-21-2007, 09:57 AM
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I remember when there was all the hubbub about violent cartoons. I watched Bugs Bunny at my grandpa's house every weekend growing up and never tried to jump off of a cliff with an umbrella... but I guess that is just me. Even at an early age, I always understood the difference between fantasy and reality... I guess that is why I have such a hard time with religion.
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:05 AM
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I remember when there was all the hubbub about violent cartoons. I watched Bugs Bunny at my grandpa's house every weekend growing up and never tried to jump off of a cliff with an umbrella... but I guess that is just me. Even at an early age, I always understood the difference between fantasy and reality... I guess that is why I have such a hard time with religion.
LOL! Brad, you reminded me of when I sweep dirt under the living room carpet. We lived in a huge Victorian home and had those circular braided rugs.

I was watching Popeye and saw him do it. lol

My mother said, "Where did you learn to do that?!!!"

I did dare tell her Popeye. I thought she wouldn't let me watch it anymore!!
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:06 AM
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My son will be getting his copy today or tomorrow. We have watched all the movies. I think there is a difference between young kids who don't know the difference between corcery and prayer seeing it and older kids who do know the difference but just appreciate the books/movies for their good vs evil battles. I would not want my kids reading it or viewing it if they were too young to understand this. In my mind, it is no different than Lord of the Rings or Chronicles of Narnia.
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Old 07-21-2007, 10:09 AM
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My son will be getting his copy today or tomorrow. We have watched all the movies. I think there is a difference between young kids who don't know the difference between corcery and prayer seeing it and older kids who do know the difference but just appreciate the books/movies for their good vs evil battles. I would not want my kids reading it or viewing it if they were too young to understand this. In my mind, it is no different than Lord of the Rings or Chronicles of Narnia.
I didn't read the books and only watched two of the movies. One thing I noticed and I don't know if it carries this throughout the whole series, but the kids were represented as being fallible and that evil never wins.
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