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07-27-2007, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by philjones
This is so true... I have a family member that feels she is perfectly modest in a string bikini because it covers the most taboo/private parts of her anatomy. Is she therefore modest because she feels she is modest? If she is not then how, without presenting a rule, do you guide her into modesty?
For those of you who are pushing the "principles without rules" concept, I aver that you ARE going to draw a line somewhere! Why is it that where the conservatives draw the line is off base and where you draw the line is right on target?
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Phil,
You are missing the point of what we are saying. I suppose the old adage would explain it best, "Don't skin the fish until you get it in the boat."
I'm sure I don't have to explain the totality of that statement, except that, if you do try to skin it first, you took away the principle and left only a rule.
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07-27-2007, 01:26 PM
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but made himself of no reputation
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: middle Atlantic region
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Originally Posted by philjones
This is so true... I have a family member that feels she is perfectly modest in a string bikini because it covers the most taboo/private parts of her anatomy. Is she therefore modest because she feels she is modest? If she is not then how, without presenting a rule, do you guide her into modesty?
For those of you who are pushing the "principles without rules" concept, I aver that you ARE going to draw a line somewhere! Why is it that where the conservatives draw the line is off base and where you draw the line is right on target?
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so, for your bikini wearing family member:
1. It is her issue and not yours
but, if you are trying to get uniformity in YOUR church,
2. you have an issue that needs to be remedied by a rule.
If you share the witness (your testimony) of the principle without adding or subtracting anything, you have done your part and the Holy Ghost will have to do its part and the family member will have to do their part.
Will you family member's heart be any more right with God if she does not wear a bikini but desires to wear one?
Please Phil, count me in the crowd that actually believes I CAN NOT draw a line for another member of God's body, and the heart is never able to be transformed by a rule.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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07-27-2007, 01:28 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Bro. Beni....
I think it was simpler then than it is now from some of what I read here.
There's so much discontent everywhere. People are so distracted with so many things - there's so much pressure.
Read the posts here. Talk to people. Everybody complains. Is there anybody really truly happy and satisfied?
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Sister when you and TB, get to General Conference you all need to shout!
This is what we sing in service down here in Fort Lauderdale Florida.
We are happy people yes were are
We are happy people yes were are
Been baptized in Jesus Name
Spoke in tongues when the Holy Ghost came
We are happy people yes we are.
Holy Ghost!
I will in prayer for you and TB, to get some shouting underway.
Do you use a tambourine when you are praising God? Maybe picking up the tambourine and then taking off and running around the pews will get you happy!
Lord bless you Sister.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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07-27-2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sister when you and TB, get to General Conference you all need to shout!
This is what we sing in service down here in Fort Lauderdale Florida.
We are happy people yes were are
We are happy people yes were are
Been baptized in Jesus Name
Spoke in tongues when the Holy Ghost came
We are happy people yes we are.
Holy Ghost!
I will in prayer for you and TB, to get some shouting underway.
Do you use a tambourine when you are praising God? Maybe picking up the tambourine and then taking off and running around the pews will get you happy!
Lord bless you Sister.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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I understood that TB and Felicity don't think you have to speak in tongues as evidence of the Holy Ghost. She can correct me.
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07-27-2007, 01:32 PM
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Step By Step - Day By Day
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I understood that TB and Felicity don't think you have to speak in tongues as evidence of the Holy Ghost. She can correct me.
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Wrong. We do consider tongues evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism.
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Smiles & Blessings....
~Felicity Welsh~
(surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
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07-27-2007, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Wrong. We do consider tongues evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism.
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Did you say that you don't think people have to speak in tongues, but you encourage it?
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07-27-2007, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Oh, I don't know about that Phil.
We just have a problem with never being able to move a line - that's all.
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You may have a valid point.
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07-27-2007, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
I haven't drawn a line for years, yet, for the most part have very moral people. I would put the morality of the folks in the church I pastor next to any UC congregation. I preach righteousness, holiness, purity etc. It is amazing how people understand the concept of separation without rules. Really not sure if ANYONE in our church would wear a string bikini and I am not going to check either.  |
I cannot argue with your statements... experience is not up for debate... I do find it hard that you don't draw any lines at all. You almost sound like Pastor Tribble and his willingness to let the tube top chick lead singing! 
As to the string bikini, you are just skeerd of your sweet wife! 
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07-27-2007, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
so, for your bikini wearing family member:
1. It is her issue and not yours
but, if you are trying to get uniformity in YOUR church,
2. you have an issue that needs to be remedied by a rule.
If you share the witness (your testimony) of the principle without adding or subtracting anything, you have done your part and the Holy Ghost will have to do its part and the family member will have to do their part.
Will you family member's heart be any more right with God if she does not wear a bikini but desires to wear one?
Please Phil, count me in the crowd that actually believes I CAN NOT draw a line for another member of God's body, and the heart is never able to be transformed by a rule.
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Okey Dokey then, you are duly counted! 
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07-27-2007, 01:46 PM
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Step By Step - Day By Day
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Did you say that you don't think people have to speak in tongues, but you encourage it?
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You're a little mixed up PO. LOL.
You don't have to speak in tongues to be regenerated but when you receive the baptism of the Spirit as the believers and disciples did on the DOP then you will speak in tongues. Absolutely.
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Smiles & Blessings....
~Felicity Welsh~
(surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
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