Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

"Being justified..." is present tense.

"Shall be saved..." is future tense.

Justified does not equal saved.

Thanks for your support.

no ....

[SDG]

FOR MATT ...

Are we justified at step 1, 2 or 3 ... Matt???

[Scott Hutchinson]

When one repents,they ask God to forgive them of their sins,baptism is essential for obedience.MARK.16:16
How can someone be regenerated without receiving The Holy Spirit,which is the Spirit of grace?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am the same. Salvation will be complete only at his return. We have an eanest of salvation. We have assurity of that we are his because of that. But we still have free choice to walk away, or become shipwrecked. The only guarantee we have is if we continue to follow the Spirit. I stress the word CONTINUE.

Originally Posted by Felicity

Of course - the fact we can walk away, backslide, whatever is a given, but we can also know now - right now - that we are saved!

I agree 100%. Thats why I said, "We have assurity of that we are his because of that".

[Steve Epley]

One certainity Sab-Benard-myself all teach the new birth is water & Spirit the gospel message of Acts 2:38.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

FOR MATT ...

Are we justified at step 1, 2 or 3 ... Matt???

I believe we are justified when Jesus becomes our substitute, and his sacrificial blood is applied to our lives. But like CS, I do not believe justification equals salvation, but only prepares ones heart for salvation.




Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I believe we are justified when Jesus becomes our substitute, and his sacrificial blood is applied to our lives. But like CS, I do not believe justification equals salvation, but only prepares ones heart for salvation.




Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

When does this justification happen ... still unclear ... at repentance, after water baptism ... after the baptism of the HG or beyond???

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

"Being justified..." is present tense.

"Shall be saved..." is future tense.

Justified does not equal saved.

Thanks for your support.

I don't claim to be infallible, but I don't think I know of any other group that believes that "justification" does NOT equal salvation than Oneness Pentecostals.

It is amazing that some groups can change the definition of biblical words.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I don't claim to be infallible, but I don't think I know of any other group that believes that "justification" does NOT equal salvation than Oneness Pentecostals.

It is amazing that some groups can change the definition of biblical words.

You are absolutely right MOW ... but it's because it would have to fit their doctrine of remission at baptism ...that's where their house of cards is weakest.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

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