Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No one will go in the rapture that has NOT been born again of water and The Spirit.

so .... even if they are declared righteous by God, justified ... having repented and been water baptized ...and they were not water baptized ... God will leave them behind ???

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

so .... even if they are declared righteous by God, justified ... having repented and been water baptized ...and they were not water baptized ... God will leave them behind ???

Blood-water-Spirit!

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

As long as they believe that the Spirit of God is only when they speak in tongues, they will always believe you are hell bound if you dont speak in tongues...that's the issue here.

Actually, since you quoted my post, the question was

Originally Posted by Daniel

under you view then ... being justified after ... baptism ... if someone repented and was baptized ... and had not yet been baptized w/ the HG AND THE TRUMPET SOUNDS ... are they saved?????

So the question excluded one having received promise the Holy Ghost. It was only one that had repented and been water baptized.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Blood-water-Spirit!

Hence the righteous are not going to heaven???

[Steve Epley]

Righteous for Him to inhabit. The virgins were virgins five did not have the oil when the call was made so they were left behind takes the whole package to go in the rapture. For the cake to be right you need all the ingredients.
Blood-water-Spirit.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Actually, since you quoted my post, the question was



So the question excluded one having received promise the Holy Ghost. It was only one that had repented and been water baptized.

Actually, he is referring to speaking in tongues...not the new birth which takes place at repentance when one places their faith/trust in what Jesus did for them at Calvary...trusting that the blood of Jesus washes away their sin and that his righteousness is imputed to us.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Righteous for Him to inhabit. The virgins were virgins five did not have the oil when the call was made so they were left behind takes the whole package to go in the rapture. For the cake to be right you need all the ingredients.
Blood-water-Spirit.

Elder ... do you not see the major flaws in your theology you have asserted this evening that the righteous are not rapture ready.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Can you have the Holy Ghost living in you (after you have repented and been baptized) if you haven't spoken in tongues?

??

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Actually, he is referring to speaking in tongues...not the new birth which takes place at repentance when one places their faith/trust in what Jesus did for them at Calvary...trusting that the blood of Jesus washes away their sin and that his righteousness is imputed to us.

So now we receive the the Holy Ghost 2 times. Once when we repent, and the next time when we receive the GIFT of the SPIRIT which is the PROMISE.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So now we receive the the Holy Ghost 2 times. Once when we repent, and the next time when we receive the GIFT of the SPIRIT which is the PROMISE.

Matt are the righteous not rapture ready????