Would you attend a church that did not require tithes?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

verse 8 HERE NOT THERE but HERE men recieve tithes that die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE is the Church Age!
THERE is before the law with Abraham and Melchizedec
ALSO is during the law. v. 8-9!

Jesus is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedec which is an UNCHANGABLE priesthood. The ministry are in His stead.

Heb 7:8

8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].
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'here men receive tithes" was refering to the levitical preisthood.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Sounds to me like Jesus is saying that they should pay tithe, but not neglect the rest of living for God.

Who was Jesus speaking to in that scripture?

[ChTatum]

I don't care how wealthy the pastor is, he can choose to receive nothing, that is his choice, but Jesus affirmed tithing and ADDED what had been neglected.

Yes, I pastor.

No, I do not receive the tithe, and couldn't tell you who pays tithe. But there is meat in my Father's house because of the tithe. I do not furnish all the meat, so I cannot keep all the tithe.

Whenever we vote on something, which we do, BTW, the ballot always states:
"By casting my vote, I am stating that I am a faithful member of....."

Membership is outlined when people wish to join, with what they can expect out of the church, and what the church expects out of them.

Seems to be working pretty well.

Furthermore, I do not know of a single church where the pastor does keep all the tithe, UPC, ALJC, or any other.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jesus said you OUGHT to and Coop says you ought NOT to who lied??

When Jesus said "ye ought pay tithes" who was he speaking to?

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Jesus was rebuking the stubborn, thick headed, hypocritical Priest that loved to twist the law for their own glory and benefit.

Jesus did not ever teach tithes........ever.

You still are missing it. Yes, Jesus was upbraiding them. But he plainly was not just telling them that they should follow the law, as he added that they should follow Judgment, Mercy, and faith also. He stated very plainly that they Ought (Greek meaning necessary) to pay tithe also, but not forget to do everything else they were supposed to do. Tithing is not a Law for us. It is a Grace.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by bishoph

I realize there are other threads that address this issue, however, are you suggesting that just because you see it as an OT commandment that it has no relevance in the NT Church? In other words are you one who believes that the OT was done away with when Jesus Christ came so nothing in the OT is applicable today?

Do you keep Sabbath as they did in the Old and New Testy?

What about the Pass over? Jesus did it with his 12.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

You still are missing it. Yes, Jesus was upbraiding them. But he plainly was not just telling them that they should follow the law, as he added that they should follow Judgment, Mercy, and faith also. He stated very plainly that they Ought (Greek meaning necessary) to pay tithe also, but not forget to do everything else they were supposed to do. Tithing is not a Law for us. It is a Grace.

I am hitting it on the Bulls eye.


And right, Tithe is not a law.

Do we still circumcise which was law?

To preach and teach tithes is a command and one is robbing God if he doesn't pay is a false doctrine.

Along with this doctrine is the teaching of curses that comes from God if you do not tithe.

A local Pastor in Amarillo over the pulpit spoke that you might be sick because you did not tithe.

[Truthseeker]

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
KJV

Matt 23:23

23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law — right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others.
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Notice that Jesus himself refered to tithes as a matter of the law?? he just stating there were MORE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW they were leaving undone.

[bishoph]

So is homosexuality still a sin, stealing, murder, etc since they were sins under the law?

[ChTatum]

I tell you what, fellas.

Do whatever you want to do, eternity will sort it out.