Firearms Refresher Course

[Esther]

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

~ Thomas Jefferson

(This is why Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton want gun control so badly! )

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two real enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more; we already have too many.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

[OP_Carl]

It's a nice thought, but today's 2nd amendment movement is itself watered down and of no effect to the true goals of the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd amendment is not about self-defense against robbers, rapists, and "disgruntled former employees." (How can I be disgruntled? I never felt gruntled to begin with! ) It's about the citizenry's ability to overthrow the military arm of a government system turned tyrannical. In the 1700s, the state of the art of war was long muskets, bayonets, and cannons. Private citizens could own the same armament that governments possessed. It is not so today.

The hunting, sport shooting, and self defense weapons available to the American public would be no match for the armament of our military and police. Innovations in armor, munitions, and targeting systems in use by the military and police makes our duck guns and anti-mugger revolvers as obsolete as longbows and broadswords.

It is pure fantasy that a town's worth of civic-minded armed men would last more than a few weeks against the federales. The citizens don't have access to machine guns, grenades, and chemical weapons, nor are they (generally) well-organized or well-trained.

It is usually forgotten by most, even before they don their rose-colored glasses to look nostalgically at America's founding struggle, that the American revolution would have been thoroughly a rout if it were not for aid from foreign governments.

Rip those glasses off your face, stare the globalism movement right in the eye, and discern the unlikelihood that a small armed American resistance could form relations with, and receive aid from, another nation.

[Digging4Truth]

Read them all... every one true.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Esther

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

~ Thomas Jefferson

(This is why Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton want gun control so badly! )

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two real enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more; we already have too many.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

Makes one wonder how Jesus and His apostles could do what they did without one....

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Makes one wonder how Jesus and His apostles could do what they did without one....

Which one of those things listed had anything to do with what Jesus and His apostles did?

Originally Posted by Esther

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

~ Thomas Jefferson

(This is why Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton want gun control so badly! )

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c)1791. All Rights Reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two real enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911: Government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more; we already have too many.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

We have an American flag in our front yard, a lighted cross on our roof and guns in the house....both my husband and I have carry permits and most of the people I know do also....

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Which one of those things listed had anything to do with what Jesus and His apostles did?

EXACTLY!! So why is this on an Apostolic forum?? Think about what YOU asked....

[DividedThigh]

cool stuff have that laying on my desk right now, lol, dt

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

EXACTLY!! So why is this on an Apostolic forum?? Think about what YOU asked....

For the same reason messy house threads are on here?

For the same reason people start threads about the Space Shuttle being in trouble?

Because Apostolics are a people of widely varying interests and this is a fellowship forum where we can openly discuss our widely varying interests?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

For the same reason messy house threads are on here?

For the same reason people start threads about the Space Shuttle being in trouble?

Because Apostolics are a people of widely varying interests and this is a fellowship forum where we can openly discuss our widely varying interests?

Now, I do not believe you really think these examples are anywhere similar. A thread supporting arms designed to shoot another human made in God's image is much different then talking about the above subjects. Surely you can see the vast difference in these.

Now, if what we do to the “least of these” (See Matt 25:40, 45) is one in the same as doing it to Jesus, when is shooting another human ever acceptable for a Christian? If the person being shot "deserved it," would this not imply that he is a sinner? Unless you adhere to “once saved always saved,” or to the “doctrine of inclusion,” wouldn't the trigger then sentence the guilty party to an eternal hell? Who here that is in love with Jesus and His creation would want that to be on their conscience? Aren’t we called to give our life for another life as did Jesus? And for whom did He die; for sinners. Think about it. This is why we never find an account of the Apostles physically fighting for their own skin. Peter used a sword one time. But this was BEFORE his conversion. After, it was prayer that set him free (See Acts 12).

This whole issue comes down to one’s level of faith. Read it here:

Romans 12:17-21 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. (18) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. (19) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (20) Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. (21) Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I think Paul knew what is best….