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[Esther]

L&F I take it you don't believe in protecting your family?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Esther

L&F I take it you don't believe in protecting your family?

Did the fathers during Saul of Tarsus’ persecution believe it protecting their families? How did those fathers protect their families from that danger?

Just show me one place where Jesus or His apostles said it is okay for a Christian to physically retaliate.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Esther

L&F I take it you don't believe in protecting your family?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Now............ That isn't a fair statement in the least.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Now............ That isn't a fair statement in the least.

Actually THAT is ALWAYS the question asked about this subject. This is why this issue always comes down to one's personal faith in Jesus Christ. To believe that Jesus can take care of our sustenance needs, our health needs, our salvation needs, but not our protection needs proposes Jesus has less than ALL power in heaven and IN EARTH.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Actually THAT is ALWAYS the question asked about this subject. This is why this issue always comes down to one's personal faith in Jesus Christ. To believe that Jesus can take care of our sustenance needs, our health needs, our salvation needs, but not our protection needs proposes Jesus has less than ALL power in heaven and IN EARTH.

Yes sir (ma'am... whichever. )

I understand your point and agree with you... really.


When I read the list... I did not think of them on the level of self defense etc... I saw them on the level of a right to have arms. We have guns and love to shoot them at rifle ranges and in hunting.

I would never want to use a gun against another human being.

Anyone breaking into my house to steal, kill and destroy will be loved by me, truly loved by me. But when he breaks in, my love for him will be so great as to let him look down the barrell of anyone of my 14 or 15 guns, as I pray for his soul.

Rest assured, he will be stopped. And that will be with love and with no violence. Protection by whatever means possible is not violence. Violence is what a perpetuator inflicts upon a victim.

Pacificism is probably the least charitable thing that can be demonstrated. It demonstrates no trust in the Lord to protect, as he is well able to protect with or without my gun. There are some times that a grain of common sense is needed.

Byh the same token, God is also able to supply all my needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. But I am not going to sit home in my chair and wait on God to come walking in with a sack of grocries to supply those needs. If I don't have sense enough to go plant a garden or do whatever is neccessary to feed my family, I deserve to starve to death.

On the same level, if a woman is stupid enough to marry a man that is not willing to protect her, I hardly know what to tell her to do except do more praying than she has ever done. Per chance that God will have mercy on her and her family and send an angel to physically fight for her when she and her family is under attack by a theif or a murderer. God has done it before just as sure as he has also sent an angel with a basket of food to a needy family.

But, a little common sense is in order.

[TK Burk]

This post is NOT about hunting Bambi; it is blatantly about self-defense against another human soul. Look at some of these:

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

14. Guns only have two real enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

How can any of these be supported with the Bible? And remember how this thread started:

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."

~ Thomas Jefferson

(This is why Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton want gun control so badly! )

Thomas Jefferson did not believe that the entire Bible was God’s Word. He began cutting and pasting his own version long before the Jesus Seminar did. And THIS is the kind of reasoning we use to keep guns for our own safety? Again, this is ALL about one’s faith in Jesus Christ!!

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Anyone breaking into my house to steal, kill and destroy will be loved by me, truly loved by me. But when he breaks in, my love for him will be so great as to let him look down the barrell of anyone of my 14 or 15 guns, as I pray for his soul.

Rest assured, he will be stopped. And that will be with love and with no violence. Protection by whatever means possible is not violence. Violence is what a perpetuator inflicts upon a victim.

Pacificism is probably the least charitable thing that can be demonstrated. It demonstrates no trust in the Lord to protect, as he is well able to protect with or without my gun. There are some times that a grain of common sense is needed.

Byh the same token, God is also able to supply all my needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. But I am not going to sit home in my chair and wait on God to come walking in with a sack of grocries to supply those needs. If I don't have sense enough to go plant a garden or do whatever is neccessary to feed my family, I deserve to starve to death.

On the same level, if a woman is stupid enough to marry a man that is not willing to protect her, I hardly know what to tell her to do except do more praying than she has ever done. Per chance that God will have mercy on her and her family and send an angel to physically fight for her when she and her family is under attack by a theif or a murderer. God has done it before just as sure as he has also sent an angel with a basket of food to a needy family.

But, a little common sense is in order.

Common sense? Is that scriptural? (TIC)

Would Jesus advise us to buy something to protect ourselves with? Yes.....didn't he tell His disciples to go buy swords? I know he told Peter to put up his sword, didn't tell him to get rid of it now did he? I also know that the Lord said He that lives by the sword shall perish by sword......I don't live by the sword, I live through Jesus, but I do know how to protect the family God has blessed me with. Didn't Jesus also say something about the man of the house watching for the thief, to stop him?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Anyone breaking into my house to steal, kill and destroy will be loved by me, truly loved by me. But when he breaks in, my love for him will be so great as to let him look down the barrell of anyone of my 14 or 15 guns, as I pray for his soul.

Rest assured, he will be stopped. And that will be with love and with no violence. Protection by whatever means possible is not violence. Violence is what a perpetuator inflicts upon a victim.

Pacificism is probably the least charitable thing that can be demonstrated. It demonstrates no trust in the Lord to protect, as he is well able to protect with or without my gun. There are some times that a grain of common sense is needed.

Byh the same token, God is also able to supply all my needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. But I am not going to sit home in my chair and wait on God to come walking in with a sack of grocries to supply those needs. If I don't have sense enough to go plant a garden or do whatever is neccessary to feed my family, I deserve to starve to death.

On the same level, if a woman is stupid enough to marry a man that is not willing to protect her, I hardly know what to tell her to do except do more praying than she has ever done. Per chance that God will have mercy on her and her family and send an angel to physically fight for her when she and her family is under attack by a theif or a murderer. God has done it before just as sure as he has also sent an angel with a basket of food to a needy family.

But, a little common sense is in order.

Brother Strange,

You truly enjoy leaning to your own understanding, ehh?

I noticed you chose the sustenance question, but what do YOU do that adds to you being saved or healed that Jesus did not already do or is doing for you? BIG DIFFERENCE huh?

Let me ask you the same thing as I did a few posts ago:

What did the fathers during Saul of Tarsus’ persecution do to protect their families? Where these men bad husbands?

Just show me one place where Jesus or His apostles said it is okay for a Christian to physically retaliate.

I appreciate your opinion, but I think Jesus' is always preferred.

[TK Burk]

Want to see an Apostolic man protecting his family?



Yep, that man is packing weapons alright. Just like those the Bible describes: "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God..." (2 Corinthians 10:4)