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08-16-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Using this logic, we should allow citizens to purchase military grade weapons. As for police, there are a lot of cops being killed by hand guns and rifles in America. Seems those kinds of guns still have a certain amount of effectiveness. Additionally it's not always the gun, but the ammo.
In any case, I believe in gun control but I don't believe in the elimination of guns. We need some sort of control or regulation to keep guns out of the hands of felons and the mentally unstable. But it's a pipe dream to make it illegal to own a firearm and think that is going to fix Americas problems when the vast majority of those crimes are doing by people who don't care if it's legal or not, probably stole the gun and or would just pick up another gun in a new growing black market. It's for that reason I support citizens, without records and who are mentally stable to be able to own firearms for protection against criminals. The Police can't do it, they only show up AFTER someone is blown away
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Come on Prax you said it yourself the criminals would care less about a law they already plan to break. The law only takes away from the law abiding citizens.
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08-16-2007, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I guess discussing prize fighting will be next? The idea is having saints of the PRINCE of PEACE involved in it.
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Jesus said a man will lay down his life for his friends....I find it hard to believe any saint would stand by and do nothing while his wife is about to be raped in front of him and his children or his children about to be molested or worse. If it was me and I owned a gun and had the chance to use it to protect my family or other innocents, rather than stand by I'd use the gun
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Esther
I think some of you folks completely missed the concept of what Jesus was saying.
Turn the other cheek. About what. Things that offend you.
Now IF Jesus was against you protecting your family by force, then answer me why He is coming back with an army to defend His chosen people, by force? KILLING His peoples enemys. Why doesn't He just turn the other cheek?
Tell me why when David's family and his men were captured and he went after them why God gave him victory IF he was against him protecting his family by force. Killing his enemy.
You have got to learn to understand the Principal of what He is teaching us.
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Hope this helps
Rom 12:19-21
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good."
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08-16-2007, 03:46 PM
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NT SCRIPTURE??
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What's the matter you don't use the whole Bible?
NT try Revelation.
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08-16-2007, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Esther
Come on Prax you said it yourself the criminals would care less about a law they already plan to break. The law only takes away from the law abiding citizens.
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Uh....no. I said we need regulation for felons and the mentally unstable. I did not say we need it for all citizens. Law abiding citizens, from what I just said, would be allowed to purchase guns. If it was NOT illegal for a felon to own a weapon then everytime a cop finds a felon in possession of a weapon nothing would be done about it. Every time a lunatic is found in possession of a gun, they will be let go with out any prevention
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Jesus said a man will lay down his life for his friends....I find it hard to believe any saint would stand by and do nothing while his wife is about to be raped in front of him and his children or his children about to be molested or worse. If it was me and I owned a gun and had the chance to use it to protect my family or other innocents, rather than stand by I'd use the gun
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Lay down His life meant giving up His life without force or violence. Not giving up His life by the use of deadly force. Thank you Prax.
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08-16-2007, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Hope this helps
Rom 12:19-21
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." |
You know brother, shouting louder than others does not make you more right. Now, this verse says vengeance. Nobody here is promoting vengeance.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 03:48 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Lay down His life meant giving up His life without force or violence. Not giving up His life by the use of deadly force. Thank you Prax. |
No, it means he was willing to die to SAVE OTHERS. The key here is saving others. I'd repeat my rhetorical question again but after doing it twice now it's clear you guys don't want to address it
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You know brother, shouting louder than others does not make you more right. Now, this verse says vengeance. Nobody here is promoting vengeance.
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No just promoting an argument based on "SILENCE." 
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08-16-2007, 03:49 PM
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Hope this helps
Rom 12:19-21
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." |
So why do you think he say give place unto wrath? Could it be he is talking about being angry? About being offended?
God's principals don't change. If He allowed men to protect their families in the OT, I believe He still allows men to protect their family today.
He is the same today, yesterday, and forever!
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Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
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