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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

So answer this, no one else will:

Dear Lost,

Sir, will you please quit running, ducking and hiding from pillar to post???

Will you address the questions or not?

You keep asking for N.T. scriptures. I keep telling you that the God of the O.T. and of David, Samuel, Saul, Samson, Elijah, the same God that consumed a captain and his 50 twice, the same God of Elisha IS THE GOD OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

So, if you believe that it is the same God, obviously you believe that he changed. Please tell me when and where did he change?

Quit ducking.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's nice, but me....Im talking about what EB said and pointing out that if EB is right then Peter must not have had faith and or prayed.

Uh..Praxeas Peter didn't pray or have faith.


Mat 26:40-46

"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me."

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Dear Lost,

Sir, will you please quit running, ducking and hiding from pillar to post???

Will you address the questions or not?

You keep asking for N.T. scriptures. I keep telling you that the God of the O.T. and of David, Samuel, Saul, Samson, Elijah, the same God that consumed a captain and his 50 twice, the same God of Elisha IS THE GOD OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

So, if you believe that it is the same God, obviously you believe that he changed. Please tell me when and where did he change?

Quit ducking.

Running and ducking? Really? Haven't you seen all the posts I have made on this subject?

I did answer your concerns in my post. Did you even read it? Try again. Your ignoring it makes me feel like you are the one running and ducking. :sshhh

Now Elder, do you really believe that all things remain exactly the same today as they did in the OT?

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Running and ducking? Really? Haven't you seen all the posts I have made on this subject?

I did answer your concerns in my post. Did you even read it? Try again. Your ignoring it makes me feel like you are the one running and ducking. :sshhh

Now Elder, do you really believe that all things remain exactly the same today as they did in the OT?

Stand real still.

Now, don't move...

Don't bat an eye...

Watch this....

Is the God of David, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, and the angel that killed 183,000 in one night the God of the New Testament??????

Just answer the question.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Stand real still.

Now, don't move...

Don't bat an eye...

Watch this....

Is the God of David, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, and the angel that killed 183,000 in one night the God of the New Testament??????

Just answer the question.

2Ki 1:1-17

"Then Moab rebelled against Israel after the death of Ahab. And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease. But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron? Now therefore thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. And Elijah departed. And when the messengers turned back unto him, he said unto them, Why are ye now turned back? And they said unto him, There came a man up to meet us, and said unto us, Go, turn again unto the king that sent you, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that thou sendest to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron? therefore thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. And he said unto them, What manner of man was he which came up to meet you, and told you these words? And they answered him, He was an hairy man, and girt with a girdle of leather about his loins. And he said, It is Elijah the Tishbite. Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him, Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down. And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty. Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly. And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty. And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight. Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight. And the angel of the LORD said unto Elijah, Go down with him: be not afraid of him. And he arose, and went down with him unto the king. And he said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron, is it not because there is no God in Israel to enquire of his word? therefore thou shalt not come down off that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son."

Same GOD and two different results. The Law was about judgement. Jesus is the consumation of the Law, which is the MERCY.



Luke 9:54-56

"And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is NOT come to destroy men's lives, but to SAVE THEM. And they went to another village."

Jesus' focus was for His prophets to be merciful and not quick to hurl down destruction, hence LONGSUFFERING. Jesus told these same men to be PERFECT as their Father was PERFECT, mature. The old law system of the Jews was more focused on retaliation and swift retribution (as in the woman caught in adultery.) Jesus wanted mercy and not religious harshness.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Thank you brother EB...

I like the part about Jesus coming not to destroy men's lives but to save them. That is my point. That is why I will protect them in righteous judgment which is the greater part of mercy.

There is still judgment in the N.T. too.

God did not change. The God of the O.T. is the God of the New. He never changed at any point or time.

God will bless you if you will stand in defense of righteousness, not as in taking veangence, not in retaliation, not in retribution, but in defense of men's lives whom Jesus also came to save.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Thank you brother EB...

I like the part about Jesus coming not to destroy men's lives but to save them. That is my point. That is why I will protect them in righteous judgment which is the greater part of mercy.

There is still judgment in the N.T. too.

God did not change. The God of the O.T. is the God of the New. He never changed at any point or time.

God will bless you if you will stand in defense of righteousness, not as in taking veangence, not in retaliation, not in retribution, but in defense of men's lives whom Jesus also came to save.

Right on!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Stand real still.

Now, don't move...

Don't bat an eye...

Watch this....

Is the God of David, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, and the angel that killed 183,000 in one night the God of the New Testament??????

Just answer the question.

Yes, He is. And your point?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Thank you brother EB...

I like the part about Jesus coming not to destroy men's lives but to save them. That is my point. That is why I will protect them in righteous judgment which is the greater part of mercy.

There is still judgment in the N.T. too.

God did not change. The God of the O.T. is the God of the New. He never changed at any point or time.

God will bless you if you will stand in defense of righteousness, not as in taking veangence, not in retaliation, not in retribution, but in defense of men's lives whom Jesus also came to save.

So, we defend by killing those who either oppose us or someone else? Is that what you are saying? And is THIS is supposed to bring us blessings? Is that your meaning?

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Yes, He is. And your point?

Thank you for acknowledging that it is the same God.

Between Testaments, did God change in ANY way?