Firearms Refresher Course - Page 17

DividedThigh · #**161** 08-17-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Missed the whole thread.

who is on what side?
Esther is one of the Good guys and so is D4T. Lost and Found seems to be leading the charge for the enemy.

someone tell me how this thing stacks up. Need to know which one of my guns I need to bring to the party.

ferd you are great, trust me i have plenty of those, dt

Evang.Benincasa · #**162** 08-17-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i didnt criticize anyone, i just tried to encourage my sister, i dont have a problem here, dt

Yeah RIGHT!

Esther · #**163** 08-17-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Esther show the scriptures that PROVE that you're to use deadly force to defend yourself. Where did Jesus and the apostles even alluded to the use of deadly force? Why didn't early Christian movements who were martyred by the Roman Catholics and Protestants use deadly force to protect themselves? Would you care to post something worth while in this discussion?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Well I have posted and Bro. Strange has posted GOD is not limited to only the NT. We gave you OT examples. We explained as simply as we could that God doesn't change.

But I even went to the NT and reminded you He is coming back to fight the battle of Arm. which would not be turning the other cheek.

I explained if you will go back and read my post what I believe that means.

Hope that helps.

TK Burk · #**164** 08-17-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Missed the whole thread.

who is on what side?
Esther is one of the Good guys and so is D4T. Lost and Found seems to be leading the charge for the enemy.

someone tell me how this thing stacks up. Need to know which one of my guns I need to bring to the party.

Howdy Ferd! Nope, you're color blind on this one. In this go around, I am one of the guys wearing the white hat.

#**165** 08-17-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Brother Strange, surely you jest. Do you really believe that nothing has changed from the Old Testament (OT) to the New Testament (NT)? Well let’s look….

OT: Mostly types and shadows of what was to come
NT: Jesus completes and explains that all is written of Him

Evidently you are not going to stand still long enough to discuss the subject. Now you want to talk about the difference in Law and Grace.

Whew!

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Shall I go on? So, Brother Strange, is it just that God is the same God in the OT and NT, or that things changed from the OT to the NT?

God is the same. His attitude is the same. His mind is the same. Nothing has changed about God.

God was just as merciful and full of loving kindness and compassion under the Law as he is under grace. His mercy endureth forever, regardless of the CHANGING dispensations. Yes, dispensations has changed, but don't look now...God has NOT.

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Now, my original question you have YET to answer. Let’s try again; using your reasoning that all things are the same, are we still to kill disobedient children by stoning? Remember, this is from the same One God.

oloroid

I still await your answer….

Gracious!

You still don't get it. If you would get out of

long enough to listen, you will see that the question is not a question at all. It is totally MOOT.

If we were still living under the Law, that commandment would have to be carried out according to the precepts of the Law.

But, hello!

Listening?

There was no LAW requirement to defend family and country, neither in the civil, ceremonial or moral LAW. This being said, there were prescribed methods of GOING to war when God called upon them to do so, being led by the Captain of the Lord's (army) host. But this had to be so because the CHURCH in the wilderness was a NATURAL church with NATURAL armies, being a NATURAL people. The church TODAY is neither natural or under those prescribed LAWS.

Therefore, the church does not march off to war anymore than they kill disobedient children. I think that I probably said this in at least a dozen different ways. Capital punishment of the disobedient as is the function of war is left up to another God inspired and instituted entity...that being our government which we are commanded in the N.T. to be obedient and subject to those higher powers.

shaking......

Rise and shine and smell the

DividedThigh · #**166** 08-17-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yeah RIGHT!

produce one shred of evidence that i criticized anyone , oh thats right you cant, dt

TK Burk · #**167** 08-17-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Well I have posted and Bro. Strange has posted GOD is not limited to only the NT. We gave you OT examples. We explained as simply as we could that God doesn't change.

But I even went to the NT and reminded you He is coming back to fight the battle of Arm. which would not be turning the other cheek.

I explained if you will go back and read my post what I believe that means.

Hope that helps.

God does not change? Are you serious? You cannot be a New Testament believer and say that this is accurate.

So, are we still to kill disobedient children by stoning? Remember, this is from the same One God.

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Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: (19) Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; (20) And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. (21) And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

What do YOU say about this?

TK Burk · #**168** 08-17-2007, 09:29 AM

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Evidently you are not going to stand still long enough to discuss the subject. Now you want to talk about the difference in Law and Grace.

Whew!

God is the same. His attitude is the same. His mind is the same. Nothing has changed about God.

God was just as merciful and full of loving kindness and compassion under the Law as he is under grace. His mercy endureth forever, regardless of the CHANGING dispensations. Yes, dispensations has changed, but don't look now...God has NOT.

Gracious!

You still don't get it. If you would get out of

long enough to listen, you will see that the question is not a question at all. It is totally MOOT.

If we were still living under the Law, that commandment would have to be carried out according to the precepts of the Law.

But, hello!

Listening?

There was no LAW requirement to defend family and country, neither in the civil, ceremonial or moral LAW. This being said, there were prescribed methods of GOING to war when God called upon them to do so, being led by the Captain of the Lord's (army) host. But this had to be so because the CHURCH in the wilderness was a NATURAL church with NATURAL armies, being a NATURAL people. The church TODAY is neither natural or under those prescribed LAWS.

Therefore, the church does not match off to war anymore than they kill disobedient children. I think that I probably said this in at least a dozen different ways. Capital punishment of the disobedient as is the function of war is left up to another God inspired and instituted entity...that being our government which we are commanded in the N.T. to be obedient and subject to those higher powers.

shaking......

Rise and shine and smell the

Brother Strange, why are you so unkind? I think I have more than shown myself to be willing to talk about these things. Why do you treat me so unkindly?

Are you ever going to deal with my question? Are we still to kill disobedient children by stoning? Remember, this is from the same One God.

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Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: (19) Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; (20) And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. (21) And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

You are the one who will not discuss this in a way that makes sense. I keep asking you the same thing, and you keep jumping to another issue. Let's try this again: What about Deut. 21:18-21?

Esther · #**169** 08-17-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

God does not change? Are you serious? You cannot be a New Testament believer and say that this is accurate.

So, are we still to kill disobedient children by stoning? Remember, this is from the same One God.

What do YOU say about this?

God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow!

His principals do not change.

Did God tell them to stone their children, OR was it a custom?

Esther · #**170** 08-17-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

God does not change? Are you serious? You cannot be a New Testament believer and say that this is accurate.

So, are we still to kill disobedient children by stoning? Remember, this is from the same One God.

What do YOU say about this?

Sorry I missed your second point.

Rebellion is a killer, in a lot of ways.