Firearms Refresher Course

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I'm still waiting for a scripture where Jesus commanded his church to shoot or not to shoot a wild beast or a deer for food.

Some points are just PLAIN MOOT. Some points are so ludicrous as to be almost laughable.

Elder, show me where the Bible says we cannot pray to bubble gum. This argument is beneath you, and you know it. Against my better judgment I will submit the following:

Mark 14:12
(12) And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

The Passover required the killing and eating of a lamb. How’s that?

We could also talk about the fish on the fire, but I am not sure if you would consider them wild enough for your needs.

Please stick to issues that can be supported by scripture and that is significant to the subject at hand.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think this has come down to a waste of time.

Some folks take stubborn to a whole new level.

2Th 2:14-15

"Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, STAND FAST, and hold the traditions which ye have been TAUGHT, whether by WORD, or our EPISTLE."

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

This little boat of consciencious pacifism and nonviolence has sailed this far only because it floats in a river of blood of the patriots. The practice and even attainment of the mindset of pacifism is a luxury bestowed upon its practitioners by men who knew that freedom of conscience and religion were worth dying for.

Christian pacifism has its roots in the Anabaptist tradition, which early on had some serious P.R. issues to contend with. Some of the early Anabaptists went loony, conquered the town of Munster, and promoted polygamy and other such horseplay at the behest of "heavenly visions." This only lasted for a couple years, but their surviving contemporaries in the new movement of adult baptism, or re-baptism, needed to stress that they were completely devoid of dominion theology, lest they be stamped out like the group at Munster was. The cages in which the bodies of the tortured and executed ringleaders were allowed to rot still hang from the steeple of the church in Munster, Germany.

Some things simply don't need explaining, or chapter and verse, to be acceptable practice. Brother Strange has very clearly and patiently shown this, and why.

god bless you brother, good words, dt

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Esther

More than one.

How do these fit in with the following:

Romans 12:19-21
(19) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
(20) Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
(21) Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

some things just come naturally elder, we dont have to have a biblical commmandment for all behavior do we, lol, i sure dont, some things i just gotta do, like deer hunt, lol, dt

Come on down....

We can shoot plenty deer and catch plenty fish right here in good ol' Lake Sam Rayburn.

Bring your own gun or you can borrow one of my 30.06 or a 270 or even my old British Enfield 303 which is a pretty good deer gun too.

But what about the command, "Thou shalt not kill?" Haha...

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

How do these fit in with the following:

Romans 12:19-21
(19) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
(20) Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
(21) Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I have already answered this once go back and read it.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Come on down....

We can shoot plenty deer and catch plenty fish right here in good ol' Lake Sam Rayburn.

Bring your own gun or you can borrow one of my 30.06 or a 270 or even my old British Enfield 303 which is a pretty good deer gun too.

But what about the command, "Thou shalt not kill?" Haha...

that sounds like fun, might have to take you up on that, i have many guns, they have many purposes, i have 3 30-06 so i am good, we will talk my brother, love you, dt

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

This little boat of consciencious pacifism and nonviolence has sailed this far only because it floats in a river of blood of the patriots. The practice and even attainment of the mindset of pacifism is a luxury bestowed upon its practitioners by men who knew that freedom of conscience and religion were worth dying for.

Christian pacifism has its roots in the Anabaptist tradition, which early on had some serious P.R. issues to contend with. Some of the early Anabaptists went loony, conquered the town of Munster, and promoted polygamy and other such horseplay at the behest of "heavenly visions." This only lasted for a couple years, but their surviving contemporaries in the new movement of adult baptism, or re-baptism, needed to stress that they were completely devoid of dominion theology, and completely unlike those "Munsters," lest they be stamped out like the group at Munster was. The cages in which the bodies of the tortured and executed ringleaders were allowed to rot still hang from the steeple of the church in Munster, Germany. The origins of Christian pacifism are reactionary in nature. Some may call it cowardice, and some may say it was the pragmatism of survival. I would fight in the American Revolution or in the Confederate Army, if I were in those times.

Some things simply don't need explaining, or chapter and verse, to be acceptable practice. Brother Strange has very clearly and patiently shown this, and why.

Your approach is called “poisoning the well.” It makes for good argument in a court of law or for human reasoning, but is unacceptable evidence in biblical hermeneutics.

To use your reasoning, remember Jim Jones began as a UPC minister, and David Koresh was a dispensationalist. So do we now teach against the apostolic faith and against pre-trib eschatology because of the evils of these men? You can’t use what you said and not do the same with these.

Why not just list your scriptures. The Bible, not slander, is the way we determine biblical Truth! oloroid

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Elder, show me where the Bible says we cannot pray to bubble gum. This argument is beneath you, and you know it. Against my better judgment I will submit the following:



The Passover required the killing and eating of a lamb. How’s that?

We could also talk about the fish on the fire, but I am not sure if you would consider them wild enough for your needs.

Please stick to issues that can be supported by scripture and that is significant to the subject at hand.

Well at least I am happy that you could see the assinine point made. Though I exagerated it was to point out the fact that your point, though not as quite exagerated, it is none the less very much off center of balance.

Since you have shifted the issue a number of times, what issue would you like to discuss at this point?

Would you like to discuss the function of civil government as opposed to the function of the church?

Would you like to discuss the issue of protecting your family and loved ones by whatever means available including a gun?

Would you like to discuss governments going to war with deadly force?

Would you like to discuss Capital punishment?

Seems that I have followed rabbit trails all over the briar patch but have not been able to catch a rabbit yet. You will not stand still long enough.

What would you like to discuss?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Esther

I have already answered this once go back and read it.

Post number, please?