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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Bump for EB.

BTW, I gave you my interpretation already: use moderation and common sense.

Luk 22:35-38

"And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."


Luke 22:35-38 is proceeded by Jesus speaking with the man who used the sword to wound a slave who was part of the group who came to arrest Jesus.

Jesus tells Peter (the man who used the sword) that before the cock would crow twice that Peter would deny Jesus. Peter tells Jesus that he would, number one, go to prison with Jesus, and number two, go to the death with Jesus. Peter does neither of the two when Jesus is arrested.

In Luke 22:35-38 Jesus asks his followers if that when He sent them out before if they ever lacked anything when he told them to leave their purse?
Jesus then tells them to take their purse and a sword. Jesus quickly follows all that with the prophecy that "Jesus" would be numbered among the transgressors.

What does Jesus mean by that statement?


Luk 22:37

"For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end."




The English word used in Luke 22:37 is "transgressor" which is the Greek ανομος actually means "nefarious," which is wicked, vile, offensive against divine or moral law. Jesus is telling the His group that now they would be treated as outlaws, and criminals, so when Jesus' followers pick up two swords, Jesus shows us (the readers) His true intent. Jesus says "that is enough" in modern Greek Jesus would have said, "that is efficient." If Jesus was all of a sudden advocating self defense for His group then wouldn't Jesus have told them that two swords among twelve men were NOT efficient?

Jesus was not giving His followers an affirmation on their newly found arsenal, but Jesus was again as He had in the past told them they were missing the spirituality of His words.

Jesus is focused on reporting the prophecy to His followers, and that He was to be numbered among the transgressors, nefarious, lawless, and that would be far from truth, and so when the disciple picks up the two swords, Jesus responds "that is enough."

Jesus further proves His stance on non-retaliation and what He meant at the Passover table by His rebuke of Peter when Peter attacks the high priest's slave.


Mat 26:51-52

"And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for ALL they that take the sword SHALL PERISH with the sword."

Jesus then tells Peter that if He needed warriors that He could have called all the back up He needed. Again showing us that Jesus never intended the two swords (or any sword) to be used for self-defense against an attacker.

Mat 26:53

"Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?"

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by Timmy

OK, me and Brother Strange.

How do you interpret it, then? Why did Jesus think they should have any swords at all, regardless of how many for the twelve?

Timmy,

I do not need to remind you of the perils of that day. If you went anywhere, you had to walk there. Sometimes you may have been fortunate enough to have a horse or a donkey to ride. This was not the usual case. In fact, Jesus and his disciples walked from Nazareth to areas around and including Jerusalem which is quite a long trek. They always traveled in large companies. The reason being the presence of highway men that would come upon them to beat and rob them. The story of the man who fell among theives who was beaten, robbed and left for dead. The Priest and the Levi refused to help the poor man. Finally the Good Samaritan helped him.

Highway men who often ran in companies laid in wait for a suspect whom they might rob. Jesus never told his disciples to not carry their swords which they carried for defense as evidenced that Peter had a sword. The rest of the disciples had one also. It was used for their defense when needed.

If one does not have sense enough to defend his wife and children with whatever means, inclding the sword or a gun, I hardly know what to think of that. Certainly, no one is going to rape my daughters or wife, steal my goods and spoil my house as long as I am not pushing up daiseys. I am no tough guy who will always look for a way to avoid the ugly show down. But while I am no tough guy, I am no coward either.

Yes, I believe God can protect me and my family. He has before. But where the rubber meets the road, until that help shows up, I am going to do all in my power to convert the man from his evil intentions.

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

God was whacking people right and left in the Bible...

Yes...

and I suspect that if I had legs that ugly I would get whacked quite often.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Yes...

and I suspect that if I had legs that ugly I would get whacked quite often.

You have YET to answer my Deut 21 question. Why the avoidance?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Ever feel like you just can't make it simple enough?

simple enough, but he failed to show his assertion that Peter did NOT pray nor have faith before Pentecost. Yet Peter walked on water, cast out devils and healed the sick. Strange.

Can you imagine that? All those people being healed because they had faith according to Jesus and here a man Jesus chose as an Apostle was faithless?! And he suggests Im backslidden? Goodness. Some people will do or say anything just to win an argument

Amazing coming from Christians

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Praxeas did Peter deny Jesus? The answer anyone would give you would be YES, but not you, you have to be right. So in being right and wanting me to be wrong you will weasel around the correct answer and say that Peter prayed for the sick and walked on water? Peter walked on water? Was that an honest answer Praxeas? Are you saying Peter had a strong faith, and was doubtless? Well once again Jesus doesn't agree with you philosophy.

Mat 14:24-31

"But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"

Also I posted Jesus and Peter in the garden because contrary to your philosophy Peter was not prayed up or full of faith. Peter in his weak condition tried to change the situation through deadly force and was rebuked by Jesus. No prayer and weak faith caused Peter to doubt the situation and the plan that Jesus had already informed him about. Jesus taught His followers that He was to be arrested and that He was to be killed.
Hence the reason for Jesus to pray in the garden and that Jesus compelled His followers also to continue in prayer. When Peter learns of the teaching that Jesus was to be killed, Peter rebukes Jesus, Jesus turns an rebukes Peter and calls Peter, “Satan”. When they are all in the garden Peter falls asleep? Jesus is asking them to continue in His watch. At the Passover meal Jesus warns Peter that Satan wished to sift Peter as wheat, and that Peter would also deny Jesus three times. Praxaes I have never met anyone Pentecostal, or even Baptist who ever thought Peter was a pillar of faith prior to Pentecost.

This is why I made the statement that it seems to me that you would blow off the obvious and information that is Bible 1O1 just in an effort to prove me wrong, hence the statement that you shouldn’t backslide in your great zeal to prove me wrong. You want to start fights Praxeas, I suggest getting your gun and buying a plane ticket to the Middle East.

Mat 26:40-41

"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

EB has asserted that of ALL the people in the bible before Pentecost....Peter was faithless and never prayed. Amazing and yet rather than prove it he resorts to trying to attack me personally. If he was faithless he never could have walked on water or healed the sick or prayed.

Failing as Peter did does not prove he did not have faith nor that he never prayed before Pentecost as you asserted.

Then EB resorts to another logical fallacy whereby he changes the argument from Peter having faith and praying before Pentecost to Peter being a pillar of faith before Pentecost. And still he has not provided one verse whatsoever that proves Peter had no faith and never prayed before Pentecost

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Could you possibly be more of a jerk?

So, shoot him!

Just teasing. I would never seriously suggest such a thing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Timmy,

I do not need to remind you of the perils of that day. If you went anywhere, you had to walk there. Sometimes you may have been fortunate enough to have a horse or a donkey to ride. This was not the usual case. In fact, Jesus and his disciples walked from Nazareth to areas around and including Jerusalem which is quite a long trek. They always traveled in large companies. The reason being the presence of highway men that would come upon them to beat and rob them. The story of the man who fell among theives who was beaten, robbed and left for dead. The Priest and the Levi refused to help the poor man. Finally the Good Samaritan helped him.

Highway men who often ran in companies laid in wait for a suspect whom they might rob. Jesus never told his disciples to not carry their swords which they carried for defense as evidenced that Peter had a sword. The rest of the disciples had one also. It was used for their defense when needed.

If one does not have sense enough to defend his wife and children with whatever means, inclding the sword or a gun, I hardly know what to think of that. Certainly, no one is going to rape my daughters or wife, steal my goods and spoil my house as long as I am not pushing up daiseys. I am no tough guy who will always look for a way to avoid the ugly show down. But while I am no tough guy, I am no coward either.

Yes, I believe God can protect me and my family. He has before. But where the rubber meets the road, until that help shows up, I am going to do all in my power to convert the man from his evil intentions.

Lord love you Elder, can you please explain the meaning of Matthew 5:38-39

Mat 5:38-39

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye RESIST NOT evil: but whosoever shall SMITE thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Now we are told by Jesus Christ not to resist evil, which in the Greek ανθιστημι means withstand, oppose, and resist. We are told NOT to oppose evil, withstand evil. We are told throughout the scripture to withstand with απολογία, apologia, to make a verbal defense, speech in defense, or a reasoned statement or argument to protect the Gospel.

Please Elder show me the meaning of Matthew 5:38-39.

Lord love your heart.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Missed the whole thread.

who is on what side?
Esther is one of the Good guys and so is D4T. Lost and Found seems to be leading the charge for the enemy.


someone tell me how this thing stacks up. Need to know which one of my guns I need to bring to the party.

Be careful Ferd or you might end up backsliding right before our eyes...after all to disagree with them is to be heading in that direction according to EB it seems

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

You have YET to answer my Deut 21 question. Why the avoidance?

MAN THIS IS GETTNG OLD. I have answered it five times.

Why don't you respond to my answer and quit asking me to RESPOND. There is a point that this discussion can become insane, a leap beyond absurd.

Are you not reading them at all? Do you need a post number in case you missed it???