The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Who said anything about three persons in the Godhead? Because one acknowledges the distinction between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as set forth in Scripture doesn't mean they believe there are three persons in the Godhead. There is only one person in the Godhead and that is the man Jesus Christ. But even Jesus Christ acknowledged that though He was One with the Father there was more to God than what was contained in His person.

He repeatedly stated as He did in John16:28 "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father."

This is not rocket science folks. You just need a grade school education that enables you to read and then accept what Jesus Christ Himself said. Over and over again when you read the Gospel of John you find Jesus acknowledging the Father as distinct from His own person.

The highest existence is that of spirit being. We are spirit, soul, and body. Even you and I have our highest existence on the spirit level. Unfortunately we won't reach that level until we escape this physical body. Don't dismiss the existence of the Father, Who is Spirit, simply because you can't comprehend how He can exist and function apart from a physical body. When we enter into our spirit existence, free from the limitations of this flesh, we will understand fully. Until then, I caution you against minimizes the Godhead by whittling Him into God of your finite understanding.

I submit:
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[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I have no more time to waste on those with trinitarian leanings.

A wise decision! Don't waste your time trying to refute the truth, and that truth is not Trinitarianism. The truth is that God is ONE manifested distinctly as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. To deny this is to deny the Word of God!

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So are you saying the man, Christ Jesus, was not God?

The MAN Christ Jesus is not God. If the MAN were God then the Bible would be wrong to say that "there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus" (notice that Jesus is: 1) the mediator between God and man - thus making Jesus something other than God and; 2) the MAN Christ Jesus, thus referring solely to Jesus' humanity). If the MAN were God then Jesus would have been wrong to refer to the Father as "my God and your God."

Jesus' divinity is not His humanity; His humanity is not His divinity.

Then, of course, we have what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 8:6, "There is one God, the Father..."

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

This is a very odd post. Follow me here.

1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus died on the cross.
3. God did not die on the cross?

Huh? Explain further please.

But Jesus is not ONLY God, He is also human. It was not as God that Jesus died on the cross, it was as a human being that Jesus died on the cross. Nestorius had it right:

That which pertains to Jesus' divinity does not pertain to His humanity; that which pertains to Jesus' humanity does not pertain to His divinity.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Chan

But Jesus is not ONLY God, He is also human. It was not as God that Jesus died on the cross, it was as a human being that Jesus died on the cross. Nestorius had it right:

That which pertains to Jesus' divinity does not pertain to His humanity; that which pertains to Jesus' humanity does not pertain to His divinity.

Yeah ... no one diagrees ... but what WH refused to answer was .. did Jesus Christ die on the cross for our salvation?

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and apparently Epley thinks the Holy Spirit died on the cross.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The reason I asked is because Sabellius stated that justification happens when a person believes the gospel before obedience to Peter's command in Acts 2:38 and that justification given by God at initial faith was necessary for Cornelius to be baptized in the Spirit. But the verse below seems to say we are justified upon being born again through the baptisms. I want to know the truth, when are we saved? Is it like PCI's say when we believe or is it like PAJC's upon obedience to Acts 2:38 or I think Sabellius may have a different view and I'm wondering what that is!

This is getting a little confusing for me!

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God

"The three verbs [as] primarily metaphors of salvation, each expressing a special facet of their conversion in light of the preceding sentences: they had been “washed” from the filth of their former life-styles expressed in the preceding list; they had been “sanctified,” set apart by God for holy, godly living that stands in stark contrast to their former wickedness; though formerly “unjust,” they had been justified, so that now right with God they may inherit the kingdom that before they could not. Each of the verbs is thus chosen for contextual, not dogmatic, reasons; and their sequence is theologically irrelevant. "*

* Gordon D. Fee, The New International Commentary on the New Testament, The First Epistle to the Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1987), 246.

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Originally Posted by Sabellius

"The three verbs [as] primarily metaphors of salvation, each expressing a special facet of their conversion in light of the preceding sentences: they had been “washed” from the filth of their former life-styles expressed in the preceding list; they had been “sanctified,” set apart by God for holy, godly living that stands in stark contrast to their former wickedness; though formerly “unjust,” they had been justified, so that now right with God they may inherit the kingdom that before they could not. Each of the verbs is thus chosen for contextual, not dogmatic, reasons; and their sequence is theologically irrelevant. "*

* Gordon D. Fee, The New International Commentary on the New Testament, The First Epistle to the Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1987), 246.

and the point is.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Chan

But Jesus is not ONLY God, He is also human. It was not as God that Jesus died on the cross, it was as a human being that Jesus died on the cross. Nestorius had it right:

That which pertains to Jesus' divinity does not pertain to His humanity; that which pertains to Jesus' humanity does not pertain to His divinity.

Wasn't Nestorius a Trinitarian?

Is the man, Jesus Christ, called God in the Bible?

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I have no more time to waste on those with trinitarian leanings.

Then forsake most North American church goers. That it basically the same as what you are saying. Most supposedly "trinitarian" churches are filled with members who have much theological vascillation...especially as it relates to the Godhead.