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08-17-2007, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes I know what claimed means. Here is where I said you implied. That does not change that this was your CLAIM. It can be implied or explicit, but either way you made a claim that you seem to be backing out of now.
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Can you say Psychobabble?
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08-17-2007, 10:34 PM
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Can you say Psychobabble?
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Does it rhyme with donut? 
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
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08-17-2007, 10:35 PM
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Does it rhyme with donut? |
How about it rhymes with strawman.
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08-17-2007, 10:47 PM
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An argument based on silence? Prax, give me your air gun quick!
Dorthy hand me some of the hollow tip BBs!
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-18-2007, 06:57 AM
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1Th 5:15
"See that NONE render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men."
Mat 5:39
"But I say unto you, That ye RESIST NOT EVIL: but whosoever shall SMITE thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Mat 5:44
"But I say unto you, Love your ENEMIES, bless them that CURSE YOU, do good to them that HATE YOU, and pray for them which DESITEFULLY USE YOU, and PERSECUTE YOU; That YE MAY be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
en·e·my (n-m)
n. pl. en·e·mies
1. One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe.
2.
a. A hostile power or force, such as a nation.
b. A member or unit of such a force.
3. A group of foes or hostile forces. See Usage Note at collective noun.
4. Something destructive or injurious in its effects.
adj.
Of, relating to, or being a hostile power or force.
εχθρός enemy, enemies, activley hateful, odious or hostile.
So those who attack you, curse you, persecute you and despitefully use you are to be prayed for and blessed. You're to also do well to them.
The New Testament teaching of Jesus and His apostles was that of non-retaliation. Jesus and His apostles did not carry weapons to fight off would be attackers. When they of Nazareth were going to throw Jesus off a cliff, Jesus and His apostles didn't fight those men, nor did Jesus and His apostles draw swords to defend themselves. Jesus just walked through the middle of the mob.
Luk 4:28-30
"And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. But he passing through the midst of them went his way,"
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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08-18-2007, 07:17 AM
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I maintain my position of defense of my family and of my country while bearing arms is the right one...not as a tough guy but from a position of love and charity. I do all of this while remaining in complete compliance with the instructions of Jesus in all the verses of scripture above.
Retaliation is ungodly. Rendering evil for evil is ungodly. Taking veangence is ungodly. Getting even is ungodly. Taking revenge is ungodly. Hating your enemies is ungodly.
Defending your family with whatever means that is neccessary is charity. Armed defense of your country is charity.
Praying for your enemies is godly. Doing good to your foe is godly. Desiring for the peace and prosperity of your enemy is godly.
None of these are not mutually exclusive.
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08-18-2007, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
I maintain my position of defense of my family and of my country while bearing arms is the right one...not as a tough guy but from a position of love and charity. I do all of this while remaining in complete compliance with the instructions of Jesus in all the verses of scripture above.
Retaliation is ungodly. Rendering evil for evil is ungodly. Taking veangence is ungodly. Getting even is ungodly. Taking revenge is ungodly. Hating your enemies is ungodly.
Defending your family with whatever means that is neccessary is charity. Armed defense of your country is charity.
Praying for your enemies is godly. Doing good to your foe is godly. Desiring for the peace and prosperity of your enemy is godly.
None of these are not mutually exclusive.
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Elder, I might of missed your definition of charity. Could you explain this word in light of the Bible? If you were to teach this to a congregation or a fellowship how would you do it chapter and verse? How would you present it to a fellowship who wanted to come to an understanding of this teaching?
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
Defending your family with whatever means that is neccessary is charity. Armed defense of your country is charity.
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char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
1. Provision of help or relief to the poor; almsgiving.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain. 
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
2. Something given to help the needy; alms.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
3. An institution, organization, or fund established to help the needy.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
4. Benevolence or generosity toward others or toward humanity.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
5. Indulgence or forbearance in judging others. See Synonyms at mercy.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
6. often Charity Christianity The theological virtue defined as love directed first toward God but also toward oneself and one's neighbors as objects of God's love.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
Lord love your heart
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-18-2007, 07:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Strange
I maintain my position of defense of my family and of my country while bearing arms is the right one...not as a tough guy but from a position of love and charity. I do all of this while remaining in complete compliance with the instructions of Jesus in all the verses of scripture above.
Retaliation is ungodly. Rendering evil for evil is ungodly. Taking veangence is ungodly. Getting even is ungodly. Taking revenge is ungodly. Hating your enemies is ungodly.
Defending your family with whatever means that is neccessary is charity. Armed defense of your country is charity.
Praying for your enemies is godly. Doing good to your foe is godly. Desiring for the peace and prosperity of your enemy is godly.
None of these are not mutually exclusive.
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I wonder why no one in the early church agreed with you? 
I wonder why neither Jesus nor His apostles agreed with you? 
Elder, are you into the "new word" doctrines? 
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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08-18-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Elder, I might of missed your definition of charity. Could you explain this word in light of the Bible? If you were to teach this to a congregation or a fellowship how would you do it chapter and verse? How would you present it to a fellowship who wanted to come to an understanding of this teaching?
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
1. Provision of help or relief to the poor; almsgiving.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
2. Something given to help the needy; alms.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
3. An institution, organization, or fund established to help the needy.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
4. Benevolence or generosity toward others or toward humanity.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
5. Indulgence or forbearance in judging others. See Synonyms at mercy.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
char·i·ty (chr-t)
n. pl. char·i·ties
6. often Charity Christianity The theological virtue defined as love directed first toward God but also toward oneself and one's neighbors as objects of God's love.
Brother Strange how does defence with deadly force accomplish the above?
Please explain.
Lord love your heart
In Jesus Name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com |
I am glad that someone finally asked this question. I will not have the time today to expound on the subject of Charity but I see that it is a very much needed teaching.
However, I've been up all night long with a preacher friend who broke down in Houston. He called me last night and I had to drive to Houston and pick up him and his family.
Now, I must prepare for another ex-preacher that is coming to spend most of the day with me. I have had a burden for this man for some time. He is a good man and I want to spend some quality time with him.
So, if I do not get back to this subject this weekend, please remind me later on. I look forward to addressing it.
But remember this, God sets up nations. They are ordained of God as rulers. This is according to divine order. God rules in the affairs of men, so ol' king Neb. come to learn after seven years passed over him while feeding like an ox in a state of insanity. When his mind returned to him after seven years had passed over him, he exclaimed that he knew for sure that God ruled in the affairs of men. He sets up kingdoms and he puts them down, often at the edge of the sword. It is remarkable how God has his own way by means of bloodshed in the judgment of nations.
Meanwhile, back to the subject of charity later....
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08-18-2007, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
I wonder why no one in the early church agreed with you?
I wonder why neither Jesus nor His apostles agreed with you?
Elder, are you into the "new word" doctrines? |
They all agreed with me.
What are the "new word" doctrines?
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