Hey did you see that? Now for pointing out they only allow this discussion to take place using the NT I am suddenly not interested in a biblical adult talk...
and if I don't post within an unspecified amount of time I am running away....thats funny.
I gave him what he asked for. He must be on another thread and hasn't seen it yet, but since I have to get up very early in the morning, you will have to continue without me until tomorrow afternoon.....LOL!
Goodnight.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I gave him what he asked for. He must be on another thread and hasn't seen it yet, but since I have to get up very early in the morning, you will have to continue without me until tomorrow afternoon.....LOL!
Goodnight.
Well probably not...didn't he just suggest he was not going to continue this with me?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
If it's a personal question you can be sure you'd be one of the last people on the planet I would tell.
It's your age how old are you?
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CONTEXT!! CONTEXT!! Here is what it says in CONTEXT:
Quote:
1 Timothy 5:3-8
(3) Honor widows that are widows indeed.
(4) But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to show piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
(5) Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
(6) But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
(7) And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
(8) But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Here, this may be easier:
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1 Timothy 5:3-8 AMP
(3) [Always] treat with great consideration and give aid to those who are truly widowed (solitary and without support).
(4) But if a widow has children or grandchildren, see to it that these are first made to understand that it is their religious duty [to defray their natural obligation to those] at home, and make return to their parents or grandparents [for all their care by contributing to their maintenance], for this is acceptable in the sight of God.
(5) Now [a woman] who is a real widow and is left entirely alone and desolate has fixed her hope on God and perseveres in supplications and prayers night and day,
(6) Whereas she who lives in pleasure and self-gratification [giving herself up to luxury and self-indulgence] is dead even while she [still] lives.
(7) Charge [the people] thus, so that they may be without reproach and blameless.
(8) If anyone fails to provide for his relatives, and especially for those of his own family, he has disowned the faith [by failing to accompany it with fruits] and is worse than an unbeliever [who performs his obligation in these matters].
Sister, your usage of Paul's writing is completely out of context. Paul is speaking of a family's reasonability to monetarily take care of the widows in their family.
Reading passages out of context leads to all kinds of unbiblical things. Even to believing that Jesus thinks it is okay for His kids to kill people.
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I have had a permit to carry since I was 21, and brutally beaten by a gang of 20-30 people. Got it the next day, have had it ever since. Keep one in my vehicle.
Am I wrong? From the beginning all of you StMatt, EB and yourself have pontificated that nobody can have this conversation from the Old Testament. I told the truth. It has nothing to do with bible, talk or adult...and btw that's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black when we look back and your posts...they are anything but adult nor are they entirely biblical because you limit the discussion to only half the bible.
You guys can get mad at me for pointing out the facts of this discussion and point fingers, but it's just you guys that are doing this.
Why don't you respond to what I posted about the changes from the OT to the NT?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere. -DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
The bible does not forbid self defense nor does it forbid protecting other innocent lives. Nor does it explicitly state you have to use a gun or violence to protect your family. Some might feel it is implied.
Protecting someone is not retribution and is not forbidden in scriptures. Thus I refuse to judge those that feel they should protect family or loved ones from harm. Vengeance, retribution, murder...they all wrong according to what the bible says.
So I think this is a matter of personal convinction for many.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Why don't you accept the reality that we live in a different world from NT scripture?
Bury your head in the sand, the rest of you will soon follow.
Chtatum, With all due respect, the world is a much safer place overall, than it was 2000 years ago. Our life span also reflects that.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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