Firearms Refresher Course - Page 65

TK Burk · #**641** 08-22-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Actually, I feel strongly enough about this - that I would say it is better a Christian die and be with the Lord than for him to take the life of one who most assuradly is damned forever.

A post worth repeating!

John 15:12-13
(12) This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
(13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

DividedThigh · #**642** 08-22-2007, 09:31 AM

You know if there is ever a terrorist war in this country and the islamofascist take over all of the people who dont believe in defending themselves or there families will not have to worry about ethics anymore, they will kill you for sure, a sobering thought to say the least, dt

TK Burk · #**643** 08-22-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I remember a preacher who preached that Paul when he was Saul must have had a lot of those he persecuted tell him, "Brother Saul, we are praying for you, we know Brother Saul that the Lord Jesus wants you too to be saved." I thought that was awesome.

Yep! It started here:

Acts 7:58-60
(58) And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
(59) And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
(60) And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

TK Burk · #**644** 08-22-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

You know if there is ever a terrorist war in this country and the islamofascist take over all of the people who dont believe in defending themselves or there families will not have to worry about ethics anymore, they will kill you for sure, a sobering thought to say the least, dt

The early Church experienced this. Yet--not one time--do we find any of them fighting against their "terrorists." Not for their own safety, their family's safety, or their Country. Think about that for a minute.

DividedThigh · #**645** 08-22-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

The early Church experienced this. Yet--not one time--do we find any of them fighting against their "terrorists." Not for their own safety, their family's safety, or their Country. Think about that for a minute.

i have thought about that alot lost and found, by the way i dont remember addressing you, and neither will i enter into your little world of arguing about this, i actually just buzz in and out of here, i have a job, love ya, dt

TK Burk · #**646** 08-22-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i have thought about that alot lost and found, by the way i dont remember addressing you, and neither will i enter into your little world of arguing about this, i actually just buzz in and out of here, i have a job, love ya, dt

Wow! Now THAT was nice. Why the attack?

This is a forum. Posts are supposed to get responses. I am surprised you do not know that.

I am not arguing. I am discussing the topic at hand. Maybe, with the spirit you are showing here, you think this due to your blood pressure or temperament? But, believe me; we are not sharing in either of these problems!

God bless you my brother.

DividedThigh · #**647** 08-22-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Wow! Now THAT was nice. Why the attack?

This is a forum. Posts are supposed to get responses. I am surprised you do not know that.

I am not arguing. I am discussing the topic at hand. Maybe, with the spirit you are showing here, you think this due to your blood pressure or temperament? But, believe me; we are not sharing in either of these problems!

God bless you my brother.

well thanks brother, i dont have high blood pressure and conquered the temper i was born with in my childhood thanks to the holy ghost, you just continue on, but i view what has been going on in this thread for days as arguing, i will agree with you to disagree, you and i both have the right to our opinions, god bless you too, dt

LadyRev · #**648** 08-22-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister then why would a man (is he a preacher?) tell an individual to go to the house where his wife is waiting with a gun?

Was this man in Mississippi a sinner? Was that situation prior to LR and her husband’s conversion? Just trying to understand this godly attitude.

You need to learn how to READ!

Does this big bold font help you?

You tell others to read but you need to practice what you preach!

Here is what I actually said...and I quote myself...

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When we lived in the Memphis area and a certain man got angry with my husband and threatened to come to our house and do bodily harm to ME, my husband said, go ahead and try it. She'll meet you at the door with a loaded
.44 and she won't hesitate to use it.

1. My husband did NOT tell the man to come to our house. The man was threatening to do so and my husband simply said TRY it. My husband was CALLING THIS MAN'S BLUFF!

2. I was not "waiting" with a gun seeing as I had no idea this conversation was taking place and I don't walk around the house with a gun anticipating the need for self defense!

3. READ! The man was in Tennessee, not Mississippi. You can't even get this small detail straight. Good grief!

You are alot like this man at my husband's former job...a man that got fired for his actions - threatening a supervisor, insubordination, bringing an illegal weapon to work, among other things.

You talk tough, just like this guy at my husband's former job. You brag, you boast, you bluff, you even threaten in a sly, trickster, cowardly fashion.

Premeditated murder indeed. If anything is "premeditated", it would be you doing the premeditation in regards to your family. You have it all figured out.

The bible does say a man can be a fool and die before his time.

LadyRev · #**649** 08-22-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

How about reading the posts. I would never tell an armed man to go to my house to have a shoot out with my wife. You need to let it go Sister. Your friend is wrong and now so are you.

Yeah, how about reading the posts? Starting with my very first one on this thread!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

YOU ARE WRONG Brother, oh so very wrong. Perhaps your online time is affecting your prayer and bible study time....

LadyRev · #**650** 08-22-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Prax,

From my POV, "Love Your Enemies" supersedes any attempt to take the life of another person for their acts against yourself or your family. If they are enemies of my wife, they are my enemies, and I am commanded to love them. One cannot fufill the command to love their enemies while taking their life at the same time.

But just so you have the balance, One full of love can love their enemy and at the same time grab hold of him and keep him from hurting the wife, the attacker, or himself, and have no anger towards the attacker that would cause him to do bodily harm to him.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment of one's ability to not be angry and love their enemy while grabbing an attacker to keep him from hurting their wife.

You requested scripture that shows where the use of deadly force is OK.

Now I'm asking you to provide scripture that shows where its OK to use ANY kind of force, including grabbing, against one's enemies.

Grabbing an attacker would definitely NOT be gentle, rather, it would be forceful.

Where is your scriptural justification for this? Did Jesus do this?

Turn around is fair play.