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Old 08-30-2007, 10:32 AM
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OOP's mistake made!!!

I am not able to edit my post #10. I didn't mean to say..."Not according to Jesus Himself. " I changed my thought and didn't change my words.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:48 AM
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But yet....

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Not according to Jesus Himself.

Mat 24:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"

Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.

Has this happen yet? If the answer is no, then there is a gap!
Also, these verses can easily be speaking of the Roman army that would destroy Jerusalem.
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Old 08-30-2007, 10:50 AM
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Not according to Jesus Himself.

Mat 24:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"

Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.

Has this happen yet? If the answer is no, then there is a gap!
Yes sir...

Jesus, speaking to those standing in front of him, said "When YOU see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet"

Jesus set within them an expectation that they, themselves, would see this thing.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:09 AM
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Yes sir...

Jesus, speaking to those standing in front of him, said "When YOU see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet"

Jesus set within them an expectation that they, themselves, would see this thing.
You're right, and thanks for pointing that out. I should have stuck with my orginal thought which was from the Book of Daniel.

Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Verse 26b is a prophecy that continues with a description of the judgment that would come on the generation that rejected the Messiah. Verse 27 has not happen yet.
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Old 08-30-2007, 11:18 AM
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You're right, and thanks for pointing that out. I should have stuck with my orginal thought which was from the Book of Daniel.

Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Verse 26b is a prophecy that continues with a description of the judgment that would come on the generation that rejected the Messiah. Verse 27 has not happen yet.
I find it amazing that in today's church world many are in the same position that the Jews of Jesus' day were in.

They could not see Jesus as the Messiah because he did not meet their predetermined expectation of what the scripture was saying would happen when it prophesied about the Messiah. Their expectations were geared a direction that God had never intended and so they could not accept that Jesus was the Messiah.

Of course, Christians accept that Jesus is the Messiah but many cannot see that prophecies of his coming were fulfilled because their expectations are for another type of fulfillment.

The more things change the more they remain the same.
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I find it amazing that in today's church world many are in the same position that the Jews of Jesus' day were in.

They could not see Jesus as the Messiah because he did not meet their predetermined expectation of what the scripture was saying would happen when it prophesied about the Messiah. Their expectations were geared a direction that God had never intended and so they could not accept that Jesus was the Messiah.

Of course, Christians accept that Jesus is the Messiah but many cannot see that prophecies of his coming were fulfilled because their expectations are for another type of fulfillment.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

Are we to suppose that the prophecy of the end has come?
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Are we to suppose that the prophecy of the end has come?
The prophecies concerning the end of that age have certainly done so.
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If MATT.24 is originally addressed to those who saw the siege of Jerusalem ,then it has been fulfilled ?
If Daniel's prophecy hasn't been fulfilled then the old covenant hasn't been fulfilled.
Now how can we be in the new covenant , if the old one is still in effect ?
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The prophecies concerning the end of that age have certainly done so.
Are we still in Daniel or back to Matthew 24?
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Gotta run Believer I trust you are doing well and God is blessing you mightily.
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