08-31-2007, 11:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Believer
Ignatius: Jesus Christ, who was with the Father before the beginning of time, and in the end revealed...He, being begotten by the Father before the beginning of time, was God the Word, the only-begotton Son, and remains the same forever. (Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians, 6, in ANF, vol 1)
Its not taken out of context. The consensus with all the early church father is that Jesus Christ/Son/Word was with the Father. Not one has ever said (as far as I've read) that the Son was in the mind of God.
When Ignatius says being begotten, he is not speaking of the 21st century meaning of the beget.
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To be clear, Ignatius did not say begotten. We'd need to look at the greek or latin of this (depending on which version).....also if it was monogenes and begotten is not the correct translation then we need to take a look at the rest of it
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