A Night of Supernatural Events

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

There is no gift of discernment ... but a gift of discernment of spirits ... RW is simply expressing doubt ... see John th Baptist, Thomas and others.

Dan,

You're right! oloroid

It is the gift of discerning of spirits. The implication would be that someone is not being moved upon by the Holy Spirit but by another spirit.

Doubt and skepticism are entirely different and that is what I think RW is expressing as well, even though he may want to call it a gift.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I don't know that I would ever call a gift of the Spirit a curse.

This post is disturbing for a variety of reasons.

So do you see what I find objectionable?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

So do you see what I find objectionable?

Yes, I do.

He never called him a liar, but he definitely is claiming a superior word of knowledge. A gift of God is never a curse. Using RW's criterion for "trying the spirit" to determine prophetic accuracy, we should ascertain that RW's own prophetic gift is invalid. That is, if you believe gifts of the Spirit are good, and beneficial, and to be desired.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Yes, I do.

He never called him a liar, but he definitely is claiming a superior word of knowledge. A gift of God is never a curse. Using RW's criterion for "trying the spirit" to determine prophetic accuracy, we should ascertain that RW's prophetic gift is invalid. That is, if you believe gifts of the Spirit are good, and beneficial, and to be desired.

Not specifically, perhaps, but the implication is clear.

[RandyWayne]

Cynicism and skepticism are not discernment.

Is is BORN of discernment though.... Something I have witnessed and disseminated diligently!

Again, it is a blessing/curse combo. I would LOVE to get lost in emotionalism and forget the world from time to time. It is like a 1 1/2 ton weight on my shoulder. But I can't. And it is not just fiery preaching either.... I have the same reaction to certain motivational speakers, pep rallies, and the lone guy sitting on a milk crate trying to incite a crowd. All emotion but little to no spirit. However I have felt palpable moves of the spirit in some of the quietest times and from some of the quietest preachers.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Is is BORN of discernment though.... Something I have witnessed and disseminated diligently!

Again, it is a blessing/curse combo. I would LOVE to get lost in emotionalism and forget the world from time to time. It is like a 1 1/2 ton weight on my shoulder. But I can't. And it is not just fiery preaching either.... I have the same reaction to certain motivational speakers, pep rallies, and the lone guy sitting on a milk crate trying to incite a crowd. All emotion but little to no spirit. However I have felt palpable moves of the spirit in some of the quietest times and from some of the quietest preachers.

Cynicism is not born of God given discernment.

That comes from somewhere else.

Cheer up, Atlas; there is help for you, but you will have to purge yourself of some pride and presumption first.

I don't believe in discernment either...

I'm sure snake oil salesmen from the last couple of centuries would accuse people of having too much pride and presumption when they did not believe them also...

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I don't believe in discernment either...

I'm sure snake oil salesmen from the last couple of centuries would accuse people of having too much pride and presumption when they did not believe them also...

True, but you are comparing apples and oranges.

We are discussing a report from a man whose integrity is impeccable and personally vouched for by many men of reputation across the country.

Of course, none of that matters if you choose to still be a cynic, and that is your privilege.

But this isn't snake oil; it is a real event that happened a few days ago.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I don't believe in discernment either...

I'm sure snake oil salesmen from the last couple of centuries would accuse people of having too much pride and presumption when they did not believe them also...

I discern that skepticism has eclipsed your faith...:sshhh.....and I have no snakes in this fight.......

[RandyWayne]

I'm sure snake oil salesmen from the last couple of centuries would accuse people of having too much pride and presumption when they did not believe them also...

Thats exactly it. A scenario is created where simply questioning someone is tat amount to blasphemy. This is just as dangerous, and indeed the flip side, to having no accountability.
I simply know how things like this "are done" and believe me IF I WANTED to (not that I would dare to) I could fool an awful lot of people with my ability to "read" them and tell them things that only THEY would know about.
Of course as an amateur magician, I have run into my fair share of fellow Christians who were fine with a few tricks I did UNTIL I pulled out my big guns (or "money" tricks as they are known) and completely baffled them to the point that it "MUST have been of the devil!". Now imagine if I meant to pull the wool over their eyes, aka, Uri Geller?