Ancient Monarchians and Trinitarians

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I've heard about it but haven't read it.

Its a good book.

An early thrust in the vision of Back to Jerusalem came when God gave a clear call to a small group of Christians studying at the Northwest Bible Institute in Shaanxi Province in the early 1940s.

You can read about the history here.

http://www.backtojerusalem.com/history2.htm

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Believer

Have you read the book The Heavenly Man? He played a large part in the starting of the Chinese underground church. His book is an eye opener.

I read it, and read it to my family during our devotional time. I also corresponded with Paul Hattaway for a while. And lastly, just recently, I had the privilege of hearing Bro Hun speak in person at Christ Church here in Nashville.

My wife and I have a burden for China, and know we will go there one day.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I read it, and read it to my family during our devotional time. I also corresponded with Paul Hattaway for a while. And lastly, just recently, I had the privilege of hearing Bro Hun speak in person at Christ Church here in Nashville.

My wife and I have a burden for China, and know we will go there one day.

Weren't Felicity and Trulyblessed in China as missionaries at one time?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Weren't Felicity and Trulyblessed in China as missionaries at one time?

Yes, I think they were living in Hong Kong, and worked in Mainland China.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Believer

But, were they Oneness? That is the question.

I think it would be safe to say that, yes, they were... now there may have been some who were fringe dualistic or something, but the "Key of Truth" from what I understand, has nothing but monarchian theology in it. Some resources say they were dynamic monarchian, others modalistic. Probably depends on whether they were emphasizing the humanity or the deity of Christ. Either way, there were definitlely monarchian, and very ANTI-trinitarian..

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Not all Oneness believers speak the same things. Neither do all Trinitarians. I don't think it is desperate at all. Your being second generation Oneness means nothing. It carries no more authority than me being first generation.

Did you know back in the 1940's being Pentecostal meant you would be ridiculed and persecuted in the USA? They spoke evil of them but perhaps history will not speak so evil since the Catholic church doesn't rule along with political governments as it did then.

I'm very passionate that what I believe from the Bible is the truth. I have no doubts. I have examined it for myself. Because of that I can without hesitation affirm: The Lord is good, his mercy is everlasting and his TRUTH endures to all generations. The truth of the new birth and one God who is singular in number according the word of God has ENDURED to All generations. It may not have made the history books during certain periods of history, but the truth was believed somewhere on this planet. And just like the Chinese Christians have to go underground, I believe Oneness believers did as well. God will reserve himself a remnant.

We really can't compare the undergroud church in China with the Modalist doctrine in history. The Church in China will go down in history as being one of the greatest stories of the Christian church.

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I think it would be safe to say that, yes, they were... now there may have been some who were fringe dualistic or something, but the "Key of Truth" from what I understand, has nothing but monarchian theology in it. Some resources say they were dynamic monarchian, others modalistic. Probably depends on whether they were emphasizing the humanity or the deity of Christ. Either way, there were definitlely monarchian, and very ANTI-trinitarian..

Would you say that would be accepted in the Oneness circles today?

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I read it, and read it to my family during our devotional time. I also corresponded with Paul Hattaway for a while. And lastly, just recently, I had the privilege of hearing Bro Hun speak in person at Christ Church here in Nashville.

My wife and I have a burden for China, and know we will go there one day.

Do you like the book? I think I might order it.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

We really can't compare the undergroud church in China with the Modalist doctrine in history. The Church in China will go down in history as being one of the greatest stories of the Christian church.

Would it have been a story in the time before mass media? in the 500-1500's?

Can dead people cry out from the grave?

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Would it have been a story in the time before mass media? in the 500-1500's?

Can dead people cry out from the grave?

What proof do you have? Honestly, if everybody made claims without validating them what kind of mess do you think history would look like? This is one of my biggest concerns with some Oneness writers (not all).

Let me ask you this, If I wrote a book and said that Jesus did not exsist, the story was made up 2000 years ago, and gave a large list of proof, but my proof could not be validated, what would your response be?