Ancient Monarchians and Trinitarians

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So it's not being accredited to the Lord?

oh, of course, but I was responding to her statement, "trinitarian Pentecostals are doing for God"

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

But.... would any Oneness pastor allow someone that teaches dualism to preach at their pulpit?

If you know a couple of writers that believe this than they are not Oneness. They are two-atarians.

My statement was the the Paulicians were oneness.... there may have been some fringe elements that leaned toward a twoness, but it cannot be substantiated from their most notable document, "The Key of Truth". In fact, Coneybear, who translated the document in the late 1800's, said "I see no evidence of any of the heresies in their writings"...

Originally Posted by BobDylan

My statement was the the Paulicians were oneness.... there may have been some fringe elements that leaned toward a twoness, but it cannot be substantiated from their most notable document, "The Key of Truth". In fact, Coneybear, who translated the document in the late 1800's, said "I see no evidence of any of the heresies in their writings"...

Paulicians were not Oneness according to history. Someone by the name TheLayman put wikki back to what it was originally. I've seen him in action on CARM. If this is the same guy!

PAULICIANS, a dualistic sect of the Orient, whose name was derived from their respect for the apostle Paul, rather than from their third leader, the Armenian Paul, as Photius and Petrus Siculus affirm.

http://www.medievalchurch.org.uk/h_paul.php

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

We really can't compare the undergroud church in China with the Modalist doctrine in history. The Church in China will go down in history as being one of the greatest stories of the Christian church.

Willy J .....

Care to explain why and how you think the church in China will go down in history as one of the greatest stories of the Christian church?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

I looked up their statement of faith. They are trinitatians. :

Whose statement of faith? You mean the Hattaways? Yes, they are trinitarians. So what does that mean to you?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Believer

Paulicians were not Oneness according to history. Someone by the name TheLayman put wikki back to what it was originally. I've seen him in action on CARM. If this is the same guy!

PAULICIANS, a dualistic sect of the Orient, whose name was derived from their respect for the apostle Paul, rather than from their third leader, the Armenian Paul, as Photius and Petrus Siculus affirm.

http://www.medievalchurch.org.uk/h_paul.php

How do you substantiate your claim that the Paulicians were "dualist"? And furthermore, even if they were "dualist" (which they weren't, they were oneness), what't the difference between dualism and threeism (i.e. trintarianism)?

Iraneaus WAS a true "dualist"!!!!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

oh, of course, but I was responding to her statement, "trinitarian Pentecostals are doing for God"

You have a problem with the statement? Pro or con? LOL.

Originally Posted by BobDylan

How do you substantiate your claim that the Paulicians were "dualist"? And furthermore, even if they were "dualist" (which they weren't, they were oneness), what't the difference between dualism and threeism (i.e. trintarianism)?

Iraneaus WAS a true "dualist"!!!!

It is because all the information that is found from non-bias historical stand point, points to the fact they were dualist, not Oneness nor Trinitarian. They were considered heretics by the Church, the Oneness church would consider them today. it’s a no brainier.

You would be hard pressed to prove that Irenaeus was a dualist...seriously!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Believer

It is because all the information that is found from non-bias historical stand point, points to the fact they were dualist, not Oneness nor Trinitarian. They were considered heretics by the Church, the Oneness church would consider them today. it’s a no brainier.

You would be hard pressed to prove that Irenaeus was a dualist...seriously!

What are you non-biased references? Are you speaking of the Roman Catholic church calling out heretics? That's a laugh!

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What are you non-biased references? Are you speaking of the Roman Catholic church calling out heretics? That's a laugh!

Did I say or even remotely imply they were Roman Catholic references? When I post something I try to make it a meaningful conversation with facts. I try not to twist what others are saying for the sake of winning an argument. I’m an honest person.