Are The 70.Wks Of Daniel Fulfilled ?

Originally Posted by mfblume

"Coming in his kindgom" can mean that He comes in the power of His authority.

or it could mean that He is seen in the form of his power and authority.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Believer

Are you inferring that Matt 17:1,2 is speaking about ascension?

Oops... sorry.. I have been saying ascension... I meant transfiguration.

So... back to the question... do you feel that the transfiguration is what was being referred to when the bible talks about the Son of Man Coming in His Kingdom?

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Oops... sorry.. I have been saying ascension... I meant transfiguration.

So... back to the question... do you feel that the transfiguration is what was being referred to when the bible talks about the Son of Man Coming in His Kingdom?

It is a possibility, lets take a look at the scriptures in sequence.

Mat 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Mat 17:1 Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves.


something to think about.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Oops... sorry.. I have been saying ascension... I meant transfiguration.

So... back to the question... do you feel that the transfiguration is what was being referred to when the bible talks about the Son of Man Coming in His Kingdom?

NO. The Son of Man coming in his kingdom is the same kingdom spoken of in Isaiah 9:6-7. It starts with his return to earth in the clouds to sit upon the throne of David, his 1000 year reign in Jerusalem, and continues on forever.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

NO. The Son of Man coming in his kingdom is the same kingdom spoken of in Isaiah 9:6-7. It starts with his return to earth in the clouds to sit upon the throne of David, his 1000 year reign in Jerusalem, and continues on forever.

I disagree. The kingdom in Isa. is his early kingdom, the throne of David. The kingdom in Matt 16 is his heavenly kingdom.

Isa 9:7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.

[mfblume]

Mizpeh and Believer, I hate to disagree with both of you, but here is my take. lol. The kingdom is NOW -- it does not -- nor ever will -- come with observation, but is the sort of thing that is IN YOU. We will never see the Kingdom, itself. We will only see the EFFECTS of it.

He is on the throne of David NOW. Without complicating Acts 2, and adding things it does not say, Acts 2 shows this to be true.

I absolutely see no millennium at all in our future. Hebrews 9 shows us that the idea of an apparent failure of God's promises to Israel in seeing them away from God, for the most part in that day, was not clarified by Paul by saying "Ahh, but in the future millennium the promises will be fulfilled to Israel." HE WOULD HAVE SAID THAT IF THERE WAS A MILLENNIUM TO COME, because that is exactly what futurists state will cause fulfillment of promises to Israel. But NOWHERE does Paul say ANYTHING about such a millennium. Instead he simply says, "NOT ALL ISRAEL IS ISRAEL." In other words, when we consider the promises of God to "Israel", we are meant to realize that not everyone who is called "Israel" is actually the intended "ISRAEL" in God's mind. And it mentions that "the children of promise are counted for the seed." And when you read Galatians 4, you see that THE GENTILE BELIEVERS OF THE CHURCH are included as THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE, as well as the born again Jews.



Israel will NEVER get the kingdom again. It was taken from them and given to another nation -- the church -- and Jesus said nothing about it ever returning to Israel, despite what prophecy pundits tell us.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Believer

It is a possibility, lets take a look at the scriptures in sequence.

Mat 16:28 "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

Mat 17:1 Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves.


something to think about.

Wow, so six days later, Jesus expected most of His disciples to be dead? Think about what you are saying. According to His statement, only a few of them would see Him coming into His Kingdom. Some
would not taste of death until He came into His Kingdom. But six days later would it not make more sense for Him to say that all would see Him come into His Kingdom if it was just six days later?

[Scott Hutchinson]

The Kingdom of God ,came at Pentecost but the seige of Jerusalem was a demonstration of God in His seat of Authority exercising judgement.
The judgement of Jerusalem was a demonstration of God being seated in His kingdom.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Believer

I disagree. The kingdom in Isa. is his early kingdom, the throne of David. The kingdom in Matt 16 is his heavenly kingdom.

Isa 9:7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.

I disagree with you here. Nowhere does Jesus teach an earthly Kingdom. He taught the opposite. His Kingdom is not of this world. John 18:36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

[onlygrace]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

The Kingdom of God ,came at Pentecost but the seige of Jerusalem was a demonstration of God in His seat of Authority exercising judgement.
The judgement of Jerusalem was a demonstration of God being seated in His kingdom.

Right. The Kingdom came in power when Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed.