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Old 09-06-2007, 01:25 PM
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So you are suggesting that some business administrator in Hazlewood, who doesn't even have a call into the ministry, has real spiritual authority over me? How could he? I am not even UPC. And even if I were UPC he wouldn't have ANY spritual biblical authority over me.
Now you are being ridiculous.

A "business administrator" would only have authority over you in regards to the business matters that they handle. IF you were part of the UPC that is and IF it pertained to you!

IF you were UPC, those that would have spiritual authority over you would be ministers that lead the UPCI organization. Their spiritual authority would only cover the appropriate areas that apply to you.

If you don't believe the leadership of an organization to which one chooses to be a part of has any authority over you then you have serious issues.

Even BOY SCOUTS submit to their troup leaders. Or they cease to be BOY SCOUTS!
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:30 PM
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Now you are being ridiculous.

A "business administrator" would only have authority over you in regards to the business matters that they handle. IF you were part of the UPC that is and IF it pertained to you!

IF you were UPC, those that would have spiritual authority over you would be ministers that lead the UPCI organization. Their spiritual authority would only cover the appropriate areas that apply to you.

If you don't believe the leadership of an organization to which one chooses to be a part of has any authority over you then you have serious issues.

Even BOY SCOUTS submit to their troup leaders. Or they cease to be BOY SCOUTS!
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:20 PM
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It is clear that the poster BobDylan has appropriately chosen his screen name. He appears as lucid as the real Bob Dylan.
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It is clear that the poster BobDylan has appropriately chosen his screen name. He appears as lucid as the real Bob Dylan.
I just laughed out loud and my wife threw something at me!

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Old 09-07-2007, 12:35 AM
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Do you still have that same tie you wore every day?

Who took the job after you- the person you bumped?
WoW! LOL! OUCH!

Actually, as I remember I had a different tie for each day of the week back then, let me look at some old pics to see if there's any truth to what you say. Who took my place? I think "my place" was so unimportant that they didn't even bother to replace me. I must of been on staff only because I looked so good in that tie! I know you're messing with me there BOOMM ol' buddy. Still buddies, right?

"The person I bumped" has quite a story of his own to tell. Cool adventures from making his own way through the world; not by riding the coat tails of others, like BD was trying to allege about the scions of famous UPCers.

This whole thing just came to mind because it is the very antithesis of what many people gripe about. I was never important, but I was around important people. I paid attention. I saw what went on. The whole "daddy's boy" scenario may play out locally, but you won't get an office on Dunn Road unless you can convince several thousand tempermental and isolationist preachers that you can do the job; and then do the job in spite of every hinderance the aforementioned will throw in your way.

There were cases over the years when some one had their son as an assistant to work on seasonal and project related chores. That often made sense because you could the "downsize" your own after the next GC and not worry about it too much. But the "daddy's boy business administrators" who exercise the dreaded "spiritual control" from their lairs at WEC simply don't exist.

Anybody, go there. Fill out an app or run for an office at GC. Launch a campaign to "clean up" the UPC and you'll get a lot of attention because griping does that for you. But then after you've been there, come back and fill us all in about what you saw. I'm sure your story's going to be different.

So then, how come the 2/3 of every missionaries' budget that gets "swallowed up" by HQ never gets reported at GC? Go through the numbers. What comes in is broadcast all over the place and plaques are awarded for it. Follow the money. Show me the "missing 2/3." I say it's "missing" because it never materialized.
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:09 AM
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Now you are being ridiculous.

A "business administrator" would only have authority over you in regards to the business matters that they handle. IF you were part of the UPC that is and IF it pertained to you!

IF you were UPC, those that would have spiritual authority over you would be ministers that lead the UPCI organization. Their spiritual authority would only cover the appropriate areas that apply to you.

If you don't believe the leadership of an organization to which one chooses to be a part of has any authority over you then you have serious issues.

Even BOY SCOUTS submit to their troup leaders. Or they cease to be BOY SCOUTS!
By past events, some of them have also become poster boys for abuse... because they submitted to their troop leader. Just a thought.
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Old 09-07-2007, 07:28 AM
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By past events, some of them have also become poster boys for abuse... because they submitted to their troop leader. Just a thought.
True enough. Even submission has its limits when laws are violated.
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Old 09-07-2007, 08:28 AM
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So then, how come the 2/3 of every missionaries' budget that gets "swallowed up" by HQ never gets reported at GC? Go through the numbers. What comes in is broadcast all over the place and plaques are awarded for it. Follow the money. Show me the "missing 2/3." I say it's "missing" because it never materialized.
I have seen reports that they raised $880000 of the pledges from last year's GC Marathons. If I remember they raised $2 Mil in pledges. The goal this year is SEVEN Hours ....err million in offerings.

If there are enough Pastors to really back up token offernings with a letter of protest over NAYC, it may have a punch, but as you observe above the money many times is simply not there.
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One thing about all this is the fact: God keeps perfect records and if I or any of us so not use God's money in an honest way...we will answer for it...
Some may even cover up here but not on judgment day...so use HIS money wisely...
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