A Night of Supernatural Events

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

That works for all of us Daniel.

No denying ... we need to learn to step back ... all of us.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What I meant is that all of us take sides based on things other than truth at times. We align ourselves with ideologies and personalities. We protect our associations. That is one of the biggest problems on AFF right now - a complete lack of objectivity due to personal associations. This lack of objectivity is present in ownership, administrators, moderators and most posters. It's stifling dialogue.

An issue comes up and we are immediately marginalized by those whom we have expressed a difference of opinion with in the past. The entire saga is quite Orwellian.

For instance, I am not nearly as liberal as some think. I am much more traditional doctrinally than the huge majority of this board. But I am constantly threatened when I disagree with any of the "old landmarks."

I have friends on this board who want me to accept trinitarianism as a doctrinal equivalent to true biblical principle. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! I have other friends who want me to drink the kool-aid regarding extra-biblical standards. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!

But I can operate logically. If I lose friends because of it, oh well. They must not have been very good friends in the first place. I just refuse to be marginalized and pigeon-holed in order to maintain friendships with liberals or conservatives.

totally understandable post


but what does it really have to do with the issue at hand?

who's perception is clouded by association??

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

What I meant is that all of us take sides based on things other than truth at times. We align ourselves with ideologies and personalities. We protect our associations. That is one of the biggest problems on AFF right now - a complete lack of objectivity due to personal associations. This lack of objectivity is present in ownership, administrators, moderators and most posters. It's stifling dialogue.

An issue comes up and we are immediately marginalized by those whom we have expressed a difference of opinion with in the past. The entire saga is quite Orwellian.

For instance, I am not nearly as liberal as some think. I am much more traditional doctrinally than the huge majority of this board. But I am constantly threatened when I disagree with any of the "old landmarks."

I have friends on this board who want me to accept trinitarianism as a doctrinal equivalent to true biblical principle. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! I have other friends who want me to drink the kool-aid regarding extra-biblical standards. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!!

But I can operate logically. If I lose friends because of it, oh well. They must not have been very good friends in the first place. I just refuse to be marginalized and pigeon-holed in order to maintain friendships with liberals or conservatives.

You make some good points, PP.

Certainly all of us, including me, can be influenced by friendship and associations.

But the issue at hand has brought together several who are most definitely not usual associates.

Sherri and Mizpeh, for example, are not people who agree with me very much, but on this issue, they do.

This is an issue that transcends the traditional lines of liberal and conservative and of friendship as well.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Theresa

he never answers for himself, he always points out the errors of others getting what someone else "means"....

talk about sowing discord....

I have thoughts about the matter, but I cannot articulate them.

We are a self moderating forum for the most part.

You are usually articulate and sound in your espresions.

[SDG]

Here is where my friends have missed RW's posting about his claim "divinely" given gift of discernment ...

He is not claiming to have a gift of the Spirit ... as it pertains to the one's Paul delineates to the Corinithians... His gift of discernment, in his opinion, is the God given gift of logic ...we are all given. This is evident in various of his posts ....

Some might think its skepticism.

I can delineate this assertion further if you like.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Here is where my friends have missed RW's posting about his claim "divinely" given gift of discernment ...

He is not claiming to have a gift of the Spirit ... as it pertains to the one's Paul delineates to the Corinithians... His gift of discernment, in his opinion, is the God given gift of logic ...we are all given. It is evident in various of his posts ....

Some might think its skepticism.

I can delineate this assertion further if you like.

Herein is a greater error.

There is not a gift of discernment anywhere in the Scripture.

It is Discerning of Spirits.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Herein is a greater error.

There is not a gift of discernment anywhere in the Scripture.

It is Discerning of Spirits.

I've stated the same thing ... neither did RW claim any different in the posts I've read ... he describes his gift of discernment [logic] as a parallel to human patience.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Here is where my friends have missed RW's posting about his claim "divinely" given gift of discernment ...

He is not claiming to have a gift of the Spirit ... as it pertains to the one's Paul delineates to the Corinithians... His gift of discernment, in his opinion, is the God given gift of logic ...we are all given. This is evident in various of his posts ....

Some might think its skepticism.

I can delineate this assertion further if you like.

Wrong, Daniel You aren't going to be able to spin ts one.

This is a direct quote from RW:

But in the meantime there are MANY gifts of the spirit. One that I have been given (and it is as much of a curse as it is a blessing) is the gift of discernment. It is a gift that ranks right up there with "patience" when it comes to the pain of constantly being tested. Oh, how I would LOVE to be able to fall into emotional extacy over everything that cannot be immediately explained and not have little things like this bother me.... But they do.

He says it is a gift of the Spirit.

A gift he was given.

This is plain and spelled out in English.

No soap.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've stated the same thing ... neither did RW claim any different in the posts I've read ... he describes his gift of discernment [logic] as a parallel to human patience.

He compares it with patience in the sense of it being often trested, but he calls it a gift of the Spirit.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Yes, I am saying I STRONGLY doubt the words of the preacher and his words of knowledge.

Now the story about the $1000 gifts and the resulting "rewards" it totally believable..... but I have major problems with the initial post.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Sorry.... I made the last post minutes before leaving the house and haven't gotten back on the computer till this afternoon. NOW I am leaving for the store for an hour or so and will be back a bit later.

But in the meantime there are MANY gifts of the spirit. One that I have been given (and it is as much of a curse as it is a blessing) is the gift of discernment. It is a gift that ranks right up there with "patience" when it comes to the pain of constantly being tested. Oh, how I would LOVE to be able to fall into emotional extacy over everything that cannot be immediately explained and not have little things like this bother me.... But they do.

When a MAJOR tragedy happens and someone seems to magically "know" what happened, what I find more amazing then the "word of knowledge" is the fact that the guy didn't know about the tragedy ahead of time! Something as big as that impresses me about as much as someone who says "and the next card you pull from the top will be the queen of diamonds" -after being given a minute to rifle through the deck and see what order they were in. But as long as the prediction is made with authority, volume, and in a scary voice, the crowds "oooohhhhhhhssss!" at the wonderment of it all. Most are afraid to even question the validity for fear of committing blasphemy. In fact the one making the statements is protected by a house of logic that precludes the possibility of questioning.

Again, I haven't read any of the posts since making my last and really need to run for a bit but I suspect I am in the extreme minority here, but be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Here is where my friends have missed RW's posting about his claim "divinely" given gift of discernment ...

He is not claiming to have a gift of the Spirit ... as it pertains to the one's Paul delineates to the Corinithians... His gift of discernment, in his opinion, is the God given gift of logic ...we are all given. This is evident in various of his posts ....

Some might think its skepticism.

I can delineate this assertion further if you like.

perhaps you'd rather explain how you can say he DIDNT say something, he CLEARLY said...

he didnt say "I have a clearly defined sense of LOGIC" - he said "I HAVE A GOD GIVEN GIFT OF DISCERNMENT" AND HE ALSO SAID HE DIDNT BELIEVE THE PREACHER AND HAD DOUBTS ABOUT THE FIRST POST.

now Daniel, put a spin on the mans words...even YOU are smart enough to correctly interpret written word.....