Is the Father the Son?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

1. semantics over words such as persons, distinctions, modes, etc.
2. pride in presenting facts, figures,scripture, grammar, logic, scholarship and Church history while debunking the other side's facts, figures, logic, interpretation of scripture, grammar, scholarship and Church history. {I want to be right and prove you wrong while never admitting when I am wrong}
3. prejudices and hatreds based on a century old feud

eventually leading to more circular debates on:

4. the proper baptismal formula and questioning the other's salvation

and most often culminates in:

5. name calling, sensitivities hurt, and insults
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In the end, this is what matters ... both sides whole heartedly agree and believe in:

1. One God
2.The Mighty God in Christ
3. Jesus is fully man and fully God
4. Jesus is the Son of God
5. Jesus died for our sins and was raised to give us new life.
6. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Carry on ... lol.

Once again, I'll reiterate ... the minute I can fully explain and define an infinite and Almighty God ... He ceases to be God ....

I've become an idolater.

Dan,

I believe discussions like this can be done without name calling.

Both sides, Oneness and Trinitarians, may agree on your points BUT you are speaking in generalities. Seriously, there are profound differences in the Trinitarian God and the Oneness God which leads to a difference in who Jesus is : an eternal Son vs a Son by conception. There are differences in what we mean by Jesus being fully God and fully man as well.... different Christological views.

I can see you want to placate both parties into coming together on the common ground we agree on. You will find that Trinitarians and Oneness cannot speak the same thing nor be united in one belief because FUNDAMENTALLY we believe different things though our wording may be very similar at times. You see how difficult it is to have unity in a Oneness camp (the UPC or even the AFF) what makes you think it is possible to have unity with two completely separate views on who and what God is? You take an ecumenical view which to some may be commendable, but to me it compromises truth.