Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[stmatthew]

The bible speaks that we are to submit to them that have authority over them. When a man signs on the dotted line, he has agreed to the governing bylaws of the org, and he is to submit to those governing bylaws. This is very simple. If you are not willing to submit, then don't sign.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Can you please show me how you interpret Heb 13:17 as defining a district board, or prespytery system, or some other form of heirarchical organizational system? Can you give an example in the bible where a district board has authority over another pastor? The "them" in Heb 13:17 is referring to the many pastors over the several congregations that have been established throughout the world. Paul (or the writer of Hebrews), is instructing the constituents of the various local churches, to be subject to their (plural) own pastors (plural) of said various local congregations (plural), NOT the district board. The use of the "them" (plural) is simply in keeping the proper grammatical consistency in number.

Again a hearty AMEN!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Can you please show me how you interpret Heb 13:17 as defining a district board, or prespytery system, or some other form of heirarchical organizational system? Can you give an example in the bible where a district board has authority over another pastor? The "them" in Heb 13:17 is referring to the many pastors over the several congregations that have been established throughout the world. Paul (or the writer of Hebrews), is instructing the constituents of the various local churches, to be subject to their (plural) own pastors (plural) of said various local congregations (plural), NOT the district board. The use of the "them" (plural) is simply in keeping the proper grammatical consistency in number.

The struggle that you run into a lot of times, is how to implement the NT into the 21 century society. Obviously in North America, any preacher is pretty much free to choose who, what or if he/she is to have any "rule" over them. As StMatt pointed out, in the case of the UPC, a particular preacher is free to sign on or bail out at any point in their ministry. If you sign on then you are making the choice to participate under the governance of the UPC. If that gets old, bail out.

Where I personally have had problems with the UPC's approach to things, is when the agreement is changed (as with the AS) without an open and free flow of information. Another point is when local districts or even local presbyters are not in line with the national governance.

Given those two concerns, I would have to say that, the burden and yoke of the UPC is otherwise "easy" and "light" in most places. The point being, that if any one has a problem with the UPC (or any other org for that matter) try and work things out- if you don't get anywhere then bail out. This is not Sadaam's Iraq that we're dealing with here.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I severely doubt that.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Do you ever have any good reports again?

Originally Posted by pelathais

Do you mean good reports from the NAYC? My kids were there. They went early for Bible Quizzing and did the foodbank and clean up the parks thing. They said 2007 NAYC was "awesome" and "fabulous."

A great time was had by all.

Oh, a few people who didn't go had complaints. Maybe they'll go next time.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Good Reports Here!

Click on the link above for positive news from NAYC '07.

I was not talking about the NAYC.

since i am new, and dont want to read through all 15 pages... what happened at NAYC that was so wrong?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by JuStaLittlebOrEd

since i am new, and dont want to read through all 15 pages... what happened at NAYC that was so wrong?

Exactly.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by JuStaLittlebOrEd

since i am new, and dont want to read through all 15 pages... what happened at NAYC that was so wrong?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Exactly.

Thats what I heard too!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Thats what I heard too!

So it IS an OWNER Conspiracy?!?

Whoop Whoop Whoop

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The bible speaks that we are to submit to them that have authority over them. When a man signs on the dotted line, he has agreed to the governing bylaws of the org, and he is to submit to those governing bylaws. This is very simple. If you are not willing to submit, then don't sign.

And in this way Matt, you are in submission to those who are in leadership over you. Don't you think?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Felicity

And in this way Matt, you are in submission to those who are in leadership over you. Don't you think?

Matt is NOT UPC!