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Old 09-10-2007, 10:04 PM
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No mention of repentance....so how do we get saved according to the gospel?
Repenting doesn't save you. Repenting is considered works as is baptism. Nowhere does the bible once state that in order to obtain salvation you have to repent. We are saved because we believe in our heart that Jesus is Lord. Paul clearly said what the gospel by which he was saved. He left nothing out.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

These verses leave nothing out, they clearly state how to be saved. YOU WILL BE SAVED. It doesn't get any clearly than that.

Tit 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,


It doesn't matter how righteous we try to be, those deeds will not saves us.

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The Gospel, which Paul preached, must have included also salvation by faith, without the works of the law because Paul said
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they were not behaving consistently with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, "If you, although you are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you try to force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"
Gal 2:15 We are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners,
Gal 2:16 yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

Yet we don't find that in the verses you posted...they were either left out by Paul or somehow implied or included in the definition of preaching Christ's death, buriel and resurrection
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.

Its saying the same thing just worded differently.


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In fact one has to wonder why the connection between believing the gospel and being baptized

Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the gospel, the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Doesn't mention salvation.

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Also one has to wonder how can one obey the gospel when all it is is telling someone about Jesus being killed, buried and resurrected...

2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Doesn't mention salvation

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1Pe 4:17 For the time has come for the judgment to begin from the house of God. And if it first begins from us, what will be the end of those disobeying the gospel of God?

Doesn't mention salvation.
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