Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I had to do the Hokey Pokey in elementary school P.E. class and have never repented for it... do I need to?

Its OK brother...I had to square dance in P.E. but I guess since we didn't have to "dress out" it will be OK.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

I'm not sayign they are racist (I said that in what you are responding to as well)...

I am saying that there are racial/cultural reasons for the objections... It isn't a part of old, white preacher's cultures so they object to it... It is a part of young mostly black black urban cultures, so those people like it...

and no those things don't make you racist, none of this makes you racist... Stating that an objection to something has racial undertones (really, cultural undertones but the cultures are split along racial lines) isn't saying people are racist....

The point is you don't have to like it, but you shouldn't object to something because you don't understand it...

I agree with your point I highlighted but in my mind where you crossed over into political correctness was when you ascribed a person's objection to "stepping" as racism. That is what I was objecting to.

I detest "sagging" which is a black cultural style among young black men that has been adopted by many white young men. I don't detest it because it is from black culture. I detest it because it looks incredibly stupid and is not practical and exposes ones butt or underwear when I don't care to see it.

I love a lot of the REAL music Black culture has given us like Motown, Jazz, the Blues, R&B, etc. Not to mention great Black gospel music.

I do realize that some of the things I don't like are generational and I allow for that. Especially when it comes to music (however rap is not music). I don't have tolerance for stupidity like sagging though.

Originally Posted by CC1

I agree with your point I highlighted but in my mind where you crossed over into political correctness was when you ascribed a person's objection to "stepping" as racism. That is what I was objecting to.

I detest "sagging" which is a black cultural style among young black men that has been adopted by many white young men. I don't detest it because it is from black culture. I detest it because it looks incredibly stupid and is not practical and exposes ones butt or underwear when I don't care to see it.

I love a lot of the REAL music Black culture has given us like Motown, Jazz, the Blues, R&B, etc. Not to mention great Black gospel music.

I do realize that some of the things I don't like are generational and I allow for that. Especially when it comes to music (however rap is not music). I don't have tolerance for stupidity like sagging though.

"sagging" is dumb, and your objection is warranted, you have a reason...

But what is the reason poeple are objecting to stepping?? Is there any real merit to it? No. They don't have an argument, its just from a different culture, so they object...

and stepping is just as much a part of black culture as Jazz, Blues, & R&B...

and Rap is music, you just don't understand it }=o) I don't like gangster rap, no, because its dumb and vain and idiotic... But listen to TobyMac or John Reuben or GRITS, if you think that isn't musical, I would love to hear what music is...

rap is the natural progression of what James Brown started...

rap is talking in rhymes over someone else's music...

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

rap is talking in rhymes over someone else's music...

it isn't always talking...

and it definately isn't always over someone else's music...

there are rock bands who sample just as much as some rappers do...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

"sagging" is dumb, and your objection is warranted, you have a reason...

But what is the reason poeple are objecting to stepping?? Is there any real merit to it? No. They don't have an argument, its just from a different culture, so they object...

and stepping is just as much a part of black culture as Jazz, Blues, & R&B...

and Rap is music, you just don't understand it }=o) I don't like gangster rap, no, because its dumb and vain and idiotic... But listen to TobyMac or John Reuben or GRITS, if you think that isn't musical, I would love to hear what music is...

rap is the natural progression of what James Brown started...

In the context here we were discussing "stepping" the objection was the same one that old time Pentecostals have to ANY dancing. It was not specifically against "stepping". It was against ANY choreographed dancing in church.

Originally Posted by CC1

In the context here we were discussing "stepping" the objection was the same one that old time Pentecostals have to ANY dancing. It was not specifically against "stepping". It was against ANY choreographed dancing in church.

but the thing is that they don't have a problem with the lame stick thing or with choreographed signing (note: that is not real sign language... some of it is, some of it isn't)

[CC1]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

but the thing is that they don't have a problem with the lame stick thing or with choreographed signing (note: that is not real sign language... some of it is, some of it isn't)

Oh yes they do!!! Youth groups and churches that do the stick stuff and choreographed signing get all kinds of grief from conservative Pentecostals!!!

The choreographed signing group from Tupleo Children's Mansion that I saw this summer in Texas was awesome but it WAS dancing. Just with the upper body and hands and not the feet. I wish those two teenage boys that were so good could have really cut loose with their legs and feet also. They were awesome.

I HATE sign and sick stuff in the church. How worldly can you get??


and I didn't qualify that one for our resident cynic either.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I've been away for a while - due to a new job and a major change in schedule - so I apologize if this has already been addressed.

Today I had some time to catch up with some friends of mine (licensed ministers) and am more than a little disappointed with what I've heard. I've asked more than one about it and they've all confirmed the same.

I'm sickened by this. Completely disgusted.

Apparently, in a manner of protesting the sinful '07 NAYC, several Pastors are either withholding or significantly lessening the amount of their SFC offerings this year.

If you're a Pastor who is thinking about doing this, would you mind explaining what in the world you feel this will accomplish? Please, by all means, state why you think you should punish the ministries and people that are supported by SFC simply because of your childish tantrum over what happened at NAYC this year. Help me understand why you feel Tupelo, Lighthouse Ranch, Home and Foreign Missionaries, Bible Quizzing and other District events should pay for what happened at NAYC.

This is as stupid as Democratic Senators/Representatives blocking or withholding funds from the troops because they don't support the war.

Doing this does nothing but hurt and possibly permanently injure the ministries or other people that SFC supports. You sure you want to be a part of that? You sure God would honor your tantrum and attitude of "well, I'll make them pay for what happened . . . "

How dare these men. If they follow through with their threats, they'll have to answer to God for their ridiculous selfishness and arrogance. I cannot imagine God approving of this kind of attitude and action.

Any Pastor here on AFF thinking about making this kind of a childish statement?

JMO Sick . . . just sick.

My words to your strong challenge would be.

The fastest way to cause change is to withhold money from an organization.

When a store or service provider gives you bad service.

The first thing you do is complain and if that goes without notice.

You stop going to or using the service.

Men behind the pulpit teach us to be concerned with where our dollars are going and to be conscience of our political leaders.

Then they shy behind the "Man of God" curtain to accomplish many of the same failures as the political machine.

We should use the same common sense towards even our local church and international leadership of our faith.

There is more to "render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's" than just giving money. Matt 22:21