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Old 09-11-2007, 09:51 PM
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Paul a quite alot to say about judgment and death. Not natural death but eternal death.

I agree, Elder.

And hell (as we think of it) is the second, or eternal death.

But Paul also stressed how we should live, and not just to avoid hell, but in a manner as becoming a Christian.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:00 PM
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Sounds pretty infantile. Imagine the faces on the visitors that night! Anyone who would conduct themselves in such a manner should just take down the “Pentecostal” sign from over the door and put up a sign with the word " Ichabod.”

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Old 09-11-2007, 10:01 PM
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Ok, I was laughing telling Eddie about this, and he said that our choir DID indeed sing down there once. I didn't even know it. I asked him who was the director at that time, and he said David Scott. David has very short dark hair and probably was wearing black, but NO BLACK FINGERNAIL POLISH!!!
You and T1 really know how to ruin good stories!
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:39 PM
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speaking of which.... I now invite you to the drum circle thread.http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=7767
Brother Hoover, the kind of circle of chanters I was speaking of, is the granola crunching, dirty feet, Wiccan types. Ex-Pentecostals who must satisfy their urge to mock where they come from by perfoming a stunt from the platform, might as well join up with Haight Asbury crew.

Wavy Gravy Charismatics?
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:54 PM
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Any religous sect that teaches and enforces strict corporate legalism deals in psychological conditioning whether they mean to or not.

In other words whether whatever rules are taught are actually biblical, neccessary for salvation, etc it doesn't matter if the sect places high value on them and places them as measurements of ones standing with God.

Therefore if one stops adhering to those rules they have been taught repeatedly for years are neccessary, wanted by God, and a sin to violate, they will experience guilt. That is psychological conditioning. It is also many times confused as "conviction". For this reason pastors who have taken years behind the scenes to change their thinking on corporate legalism then spring it on their congregations with little or no warning are making a terrible mistake.
I see what you're saying. I must say this since I know some pastors who have done the "springing it on them" tactics. Those men really are not what I would call Biblical scholars, or were ever involed heavily in teaching their people. In fact they had congregations who were pretty clueless when it came to the what and why they were doing what they were doing.

So, when it came time for their pastor to give them a spiritual rope-a-dope, they ended up swinging on the pendulum far off into left field. Then when the pastor tried to bring everything into some kind of balance he ended up losing, the more seasoned part of the group. In any event the churches just end up becoming a hodge podge of Trinity, One Godish, flavor flav, kind of mainstream Mc Church.

Holiness is on a come back in this country. Pretty soon as the next generation gets sick of the Mc Donald Burger King plastic smile of bleached blonde (male and female) preachers and their mega church get'em in and puke'em out styles. We will see a whole new revival of holiness across this land.

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:29 AM
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Oh please on both points. It's always hilarious when makeup is mentioned that Tammy Faye and Jan Crouch are associated. They are the EXCEPTIONS - not the rule.
Well, Sis, you need to just sit back in the pew on a Sunday and really look around at some on the men and women who walk into those churches.

I think those people who go from zero to sixty, when they leave holiness, must grab a People magazine and think the rest of America looks like Hollywood. They were raised under pew and walk off of Sunny Brook Farm and over indulging themselves with their new found liberty. Others find balance when they find out that Bright Lights and Big City is not what it's cracked up to be. Yet sadly enough the Tammy Fayes, Jan Crouch, Paula "Plastic Surgery" White set the "standard" for the Cruzeematic Nation.

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Also, much of society doesn't go for the makeup look? Where do YOU live?
Fort Lauderdale, and sorry, most of the John and Janes that live around here are pretty much not a the Maybelline, Max Factor crew.

Same up in Arlington Virginia, New York City, DC, Miami, and others places I visit from time to time. Hey the Ivory Girl caught on a long time ago.

I remember I went to a Charismatic church with my blood sisters and a female cousin of mine, and when they saw the liberated Sisters of Charismatic mayhem, my cousin turned to me and said, "Dom, you think those women clean their house looking like that?"

I said, "I think they sleep in that stuff"

Anyway that's my perspective, from the filters I look through and Sister Craig, you view this subject through your filters. I'm not going to change your mind, and you won't change mine. I think it's all pretty funny when I first became a Christian, and I become more amused as time goes on.


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The problem is just because they don't look like Tammy Faye doesn't mean they don't wear makeup.
Not every woman has bad skin. Most of the women and men down here in South Florida are health minded, and therefore they eat better and exercise.
They also spend a lot on health down here and that's why we have super huge health stores like Whole Foods.

All in all people who are living a more natural way (as in health) tend to lean more to the NO MAKE UP way of life.

Anyway, Jesus loves you and your whole family, and I just want to see people get saved and stay saved.

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:35 AM
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Leave it to my friend EB to bring up that old dead horse. I thought the cons that try to act like every woman wearing makeup wants to look like Tammy Faye or Jan Crouch had been shamed from that repeating that nonsense on the forum.
Brother, TBN is right down the road from me, and next time you're in South Florida have them give you the tour. The women who work their are pretty ostentatiously flamboyant.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:09 AM
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Brother, TBN is right down the road from me, and next time you're in South Florida have them give you the tour. The women who work their are pretty ostentatiously flamboyant.
Don't forget that I have a big TBN location right in my backyard. TBN's "Trinity City" (the former "Twitty City" when Conway Twitty was alive) is in Hendersonville outside of Nashville. I have never been there but drove by once on my way somewhere else.

A few years ago I ran into Paul and Jan Crouch at the Opry Mills Mall here in Nashville. I am sad to report that Jan is just as scary looking in person as on TV!!!
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:37 AM
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Here's something I don't understand... if a Pastor is going to change what he believes on Women cutting hair... Why do it so blatantly in your face type of of way?

I have heard of Pastors giving "hair Cutting" party on the Platform... Wife and others ladies getting their hair cut?

What is so celebratory about it other than possibly just a "wrong" spirit...

It just doesn't seem to be something to celebrate???

in other words I don't get it...
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Here's something I don't understand... if a Pastor is going to change what he believes on Women cutting hair... Why do it so blatantly in your face type of of way?

I have heard of Pastors giving "hair Cutting" party on the Platform... Wife and others ladies getting their hair cut?

What is so celebratory about it other than possibly just a "wrong" spirit...

It just doesn't seem to be something to celebrate???

in other words I don't get it...
Sounds like a wild rumor to promote the party line and add condemnation to anyone who would dare to shake the web!!! Or even think about it.

I have not seen any proof in this whole thread that anything close to this has in fact actually happened.
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