Communism vs Christianity - Page 7

Scott Hutchinson · #61 09-13-2007, 08:47 PM

I understand that Pete Seeger recently had voiced regret for ever being involved in communism.
I think He has recently written a song decrying Joseph Stalin.

stmatthew · #62 09-13-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Communism vs Christianity

“Communism is based upon the granite foundation of materialism dedicated to the liquidation of religion. Communism leaves no room for religion.” The Lexicon of Atheism. Moscow, 1959

“Marxism is materialism. As such it is with out mercy for religion. Every religious idea, every idea of God, even flirting with the idea of God is unutterable vileness.” Vladimir Lenin

“Let us drive out the capitalists from earth and God from heaven.” Soviet Slogan

“Our enemy is God. Hatred of God is the beginning of Wisdom.” The Philosophy of Communism, Fordham, 1952

“In this revolution we will have to awaken the devil in the people, to stir up the basest passions.” Dzerjinskii, Paris, 1936

“We do not tight against believers and not even against clergymen. We fight against God to snatch believers from Him.” Moscow Newspaper, 1975

“The soundest strategy in war is to post pone final military operations until the moral degeneration of the enemy renders the mortal blow both possible and easy.” Karl Marx

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Since our president is communist thought you might like to know a little about the evils of communism...besides the thought they hate us Americans!

The topic of this thread, for those that took the rabbit trail.

Sister Alvear · #63 09-13-2007, 08:49 PM

Thanks, Matthew...
Most people unless they have lived under communism have no earthly idea what it really is as we know it today...communism as we know it today has nothing to do with the first church...

Scott Hutchinson · #64 09-13-2007, 08:51 PM

In communism only the upper crust benefits.
Communisn in goverment is not having all things common.

#65 09-13-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

The topic of this thread, for those that took the rabbit trail.

to say that communism itself hates americans or everyone who espouses socialism hates America is even more ludicrous than saying its the anti-Christ... (note to self: if you are going to disagree, disagree with the most wrong statement, not the least wrong one...)

The simple fact is that an ideology that wants everyone to be healthy and not in poverty is not evil... and really that's what Christ encouraged, those who were well off to give to the poor and the sick so that the poor and the sick were all taken care off, thus making no one poor and people as healthy as possible...

thus, the goal of Marx and Christ, at least as far as social reform on this earth goes, were the same...

Now Christ also wanted to save people's souls, too... Whereas Marx wasn't worried about that, which is where they split...

#66 09-13-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In communism only the upper crust benefits.
Communisn in goverment is not having all things common.

hence the Communism vs. communism post a page earlier...

modern Communist governments are not truely communist, they're dictatorships who took a different name for themselves...

#67 09-13-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Thanks, Matthew...
Most people unless they have lived under communism have no earthly idea what it really is as we know it today...communism as we know it today has nothing to do with the first church...

Communism as we know it today has nothing to do with communism, either... (another thing it has in common with the first church)

Scott Hutchinson · #68 09-13-2007, 08:54 PM

Under Marx did the workers benefit or where those in govt. rich while the workers were poor ?

Scott Hutchinson · #69 09-13-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

hence the Communism vs. communism post a page earlier...

modern Communist governments are not truely communist, they're dictatorships who took a different name for themselves...

You win,I'm not as knowledgable as you are.

RevDWW · #70 09-13-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Despite their hardships, your father and grandfather benefited from something most people take for granted: freedom. They were free to seek out alternatives.

Millions of people today however are kept in poverty because their governments (and governments around them) won't allow them to participate in the activities that create jobs. They are literally locked up in "refugee camps," and "settlement areas" where there is no newpaper to get a route delivering. They are forbidden by any number of powers from harvesting local resources to establish trade in the name of "environmentalism." Cronyism, tribal racism and corruption keep them from finding employment in the cities. There are some very deplorable conditions that some people are forced to live in. Capitalism and globalization is responsible for some of this; but so is Communism.

It's a sad fact of human life that "the poor you will always have with you..." Some people have cursed Christianity for saying that; as if poverty was invented by Christians. In truth, it's just a realistic appraisal of life.

The root cause is that people are attached to the wrong root. Sin is the ultimate problem.

If Jesus is the root love is the fruit and we must be grafted into Him.