The Persecution of Women in the Church

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

This post is a prime example of your inability to rightly divide the Word.

You are mixing dispensations in your analogy.

A different dispensation is not a different culture???

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You too?

Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

You have to be kidding. The bible was written 2K years ago in a different civilization. We cannot even begin to compare our western mentality to the Jewish enviornment of that day. God's word is His word, not ours. Paul clarified this many times when he stated this is from me and not from God. Of course Paul wrote out of his own personal experiences as we all do. The cultural differences of our day are incomprehensible. To think anything else is pure ignorance. Sorry. I belive God's word is true and believe God is infallible, but not man. Everybody but Jesus has problems friend. We are all broken trying to let Jesus pick up the pieces.

Now I see the disconnect...

CS, you are speaking of the infallibility of the Word of God, and the principles it contains and we learn from.

CH is speaking of the cultural aspects of the many peoples and eras throughout the bible.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

I've been in ministry 23 years, I know the bible like the back of my hand. Ignorance is not bliss. What you don't know can hurt you. Try doing a scholarly research on the Pauline epistles. There's a lot in the bible that is not God's direct word to us today. The bible is a series, a collection of books spanning many generations. God wrote His word through man. Man is fallible, God isn't. What part of that do you have a problem with? A simple study of the new testament manuscripts reveals error, some dating earlier do not have the same scriptures. Wake up dude, we walk by faith.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable

You're not reading his posts or maybe just not thinking about what he is saying.

2Tim3:16 is this verse true or false?

When Jesus said He was the way the truth and the life....was he lying?

According to what you are preaching we can't trust anything we read in the Bible as being the truth.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

There are commandments and principles.

You don't think there are any undeniable absolutes in the Scripture?

Only vague guidelines?

The sum of all the commandments is in loving your neighbor as yourself...and you have fulfilled the law. Ever heard of that?

Don't want to go toe to toe with you...I don't have the heart for it

Blessings, Rhoni

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Now I see the disconnect...

CS, you are speaking of the infallibility of the Word of God, and the principles it contains and we learn from.

CH is speaking of the cultural aspects of the many peoples and eras throughout the bible.

You must have the gift of discernment...(lol)

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I've never felt put down or persecuted by men, but I have by women.

Have you all really felt like you're un-liberated, unfulfilled, persecuted, held back, disrespected and put down by men?

Has this happened in past decades? Centuries?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I've never felt put down or persecuted by men, but I have by women.

:diggin

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

I've been in ministry 23 years, I know the bible like the back of my hand. Ignorance is not bliss. What you don't know can hurt you. Try doing a scholarly research on the Pauline epistles. There's a lot in the bible that is not God's direct word to us today. The bible is a series, a collection of books spanning many generations. God wrote His word through man. Man is fallible, God isn't. What part of that do you have a problem with? A simple study of the new testament manuscripts reveals error, some dating earlier do not have the same scriptures. Wake up dude, we walk by faith.

I know the bible like the back of my hand.

Obviously not, or you wouldn't have made that colossal misstatement about how many times Paul spoke by permission.

"Ever learning and never able..." comes to mind.

Try doing a scholarly research on the Pauline epistles. There's a lot in the bible that is not God's direct word to us today.

Early in this thread I thought I smelled this particular rat. I was right.

Sir, by this statement you have placed yourself far outside the Apostolic church.

You do not believe in the infallibility of God's Word, and therefore you and I are in two totally different worlds.

See you.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You're not reading his posts or maybe just not thinking about what he is saying.

2Tim3:16 is this verse true or false?

When Jesus said He was the way the truth and the life....was he lying?

According to what you are preaching we can't trust anything we read in the Bible as being the truth.

Is polygamy truth? Should we practice this because our forefathers did?

I believe that's what CH is speaking of when he speaks of cultural differences.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You're not reading his posts or maybe just not thinking about what he is saying.

2Tim3:16 is this verse true or false?

When Jesus said He was the way the truth and the life....was he lying?

According to what you are preaching we can't trust anything we read in the Bible as being the truth.

When Paul wrote this to Timothy, he didn't conside what he was writing to be scripture. It was a personal letter. The only reason it's scripture today is because the early church fathers wanted to include it in the package of texts relevant to Christianity. Paul was referring to the sciptures of the Old testament, like the Psalms, Ezekiel, the prophet Moses' writings, etc.